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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:59 pm 
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IMO we are missing an important point on this whole "slide release" issue. I have been to a few training sessions regarding the defensive use of pistols in my time. I can't remember one time when I was told to use the slide STOP as a release.

It is called a Slide Stop not a "slide release". Using the slide stop to release the slide is a good way to round off the edge on either the the stop itself or the the notch in the slide. If you dont think this is possible or that it is a metalurgy problem do it 6,666 times [15 rounds at a time until 100,000 rounds]. Its called friction. I have seen this happen to several pistols in my time.

This will probably gain me a few flames here but from what I have learned the proper use is either to engage the slide stop manually when there is no magazine in place or let the follower engage the slide stop on an empty mag. Upon insertion the proper way to release the slide is to grasp the slide with an overhand grip, pull the slide to the rear and then release the slide under pressure from the recoil spring.

It also is a matter of muscle memory. In the heat of battle it is easier to do simple movements rather than small fine movements involving digits.

This "problem" is compounded by the stiff recoil spring required on these short little high power pistols.

Any Kahr owners here? They know all about this "problem".

Again just my .02!


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No doubt you're 100% correct Al.

While some don't like Ruger's prescribed method what's interesting is that different makes use different procedures. Kimber describes racking the slide and letting it go (ease it down on an empty chamber).

Ruger has been consistent in all the user manuals I looked at online, back to the P85.

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Al James wrote:
Upon insertion (of the mag) the proper way to release the slide is to grasp the slide with an overhand grip, pull the slide to the rear and then release the slide under pressure from the recoil spring.


Thanks Al for your insight. I am going to my local gun guy tomorrow to let him show me this process with this PARTICULAR gun (sr9c). I NEED to witness this in action, mostly because the Ruger manual says that you need to pull back on the slide (as you stated also), but WHILE depressing the slide stop button ALSO.
That is the WHOLE "problem" for me. (depressing the slide stop simultaniously while pulling the slide). That would be TOTALLY unacceptable for anyone I think. :roll:


If it is in fact as you are saying then I would have NO PROBLEM to buy this gun. I understand the process as you mentioned and use it on my other guns too.
Kscott mentioned this also... we all know it as "slingshoting" I believe)

If simply sling shot re-chambering works on the sr9c then I want one, BUT if this gun is some strange oddity that requires holding down the slide stop WHILE slingshotting, then no way!

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CenterTree wrote:
If simply sling shot re-chambering works on the sr9c then I want one,


THe slingshot procedure will work just fine after a loaded mag is in place.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:33 am 
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The sling shot method works on the SR9C, you don't have to push down on the slide lock while pulling back on the slide with a loaded magazine. Most law enforcement agencies teach the sling shot method. Under high stress and adrenaline you won't be able to even feel or find the slide lock. Your fingers and thumbs will turn to flippers, you need to use gross motor skills.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:02 pm 
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revhigh wrote:
high_caliber wrote:
Are you trying to use the stop lever with an empty magazine inserted? On many pistols it is more difficult to release the slide with an empty magazine.


Shouldn't matter ... doesn't matter in ANY of my guns .... 5 or 6 different manufacturers.

REV


REV, maybe it shouldn't matter but I have a 1911 with a Novak 8-round magazine who's slide stop will not release on an empty magazine with all the force my thumb can apply. :)

I have two SR9s and neither exhibit the problem, even on an empty magazine. My LGS is operated by my nephew so when he gets one of the SR9Cs in, I will check it out.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Bagger wrote:

The gun made 300 holes in the target at 22 feet about the size of my head. I'm a point shooter, not a sight shooter. This is acceptable to me. I had 2 FTFires, 1 FTFeed, and the slide did not stay open twice when empty.



I don't know about anyone else, but, I'd be more concerned about the three failures; that would be more likely to be a problem if you needed to use your gun!

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RBorgers wrote:
The sling shot method works on the SR9C, you don't have to push down on the slide lock while pulling back on the slide with a loaded magazine.


Thanks for the uplifting info. :)

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buckshotshorty wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but, I'd be more concerned about the three failures; that would be more likely to be a problem if you needed to use your gun!



Yeah, what's the deal with the failures? :?: This forum is a GREAT place to pin-point these type of issues. Is it the ammo, is it the gun?

I hope more SR9c owners can shine some light for us curious, hopefully future sr9c owners.

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My wife couldn't release the slide on my SR9, so she gets the revolver, it was a little stiff at 1st but the release loosened up with use.

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sparks701 wrote:
My wife couldn't release the slide on my SR9, so she gets the revolver, it was a little stiff at 1st but the release loosened up with use.


:P yeah, not much of a problem with the slide on a revolver!! :lol:

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 Post subject: Bought one saturday
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:48 pm 
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Picked up an SR9C and Sr9 at the fun show this weekend. The SR9 was 349 and the SR9C was 379. Most dealers at the fun show wanted $429 for the SR9 and SR9C.

I spent most of today doing trigger jobs, and polishing for reliability, feedramps, edge of chamber, releases Et al. The slide stop work great on the slide stop works great on the SR9 but is wedged tight when activated on the 9C. I guess I will go back to the slingshot technique.

I did carried the SR9C CCW for a while today. I am liking it. It is thinner than the M&P compact and hair longer than the glock 26. It is going to be an excellant CCW piece. I think the wife wants one, she may even have her eyes on mine.

I would do a range report but my range is closed till the end of the month due to construction....... Waiting and waiting.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:29 am 
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Sold mine not impressed with it one bit ... with the slide locked back you can't release the slide with the slide release lever unless you're Arnold Schwarzenegger, with a thumb like an APE.

Then when you release the slide by ripping it to the rear you have to be careful that the slide doesn't bite your fingers against the rear frame (happen three times - ouch) ...!!! Slide serrations are sharp like a culinary knife at least on the stainless model anyway, honestly if I kept it I would have had to dremel the slide serrations.

Same size as a G36 so for CCW why not have .45 as you're not gaining anything re: conceal-ability actually the G36 is easier to conceal, another Gaff by Ruger Geeeeeeeeeeez when will they get anything right first time around.


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Rock wrote:
As a follow up to my post; I read an interesting review of the SR9c on Gunblast, www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR9C.htm, they seemed to like it a great deal. They tested it with +p loads as well as standard and all seemed to work flawlessly.

As I said before; this just may be a great answer to those of us that are CCW holders and would like a compact and reliable weapon in a reasonable caliber for self defense.


Just picked me one up today for just this reason...traded a older 2nd Gen Glock 23 in on it!

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 Post subject: Got mine today
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:09 pm 
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Forgive the cross-post but this is perfectly relevant here I think.

OK, for the sake of additional data points, here's my story. I already own two SR9s, one is an early model that I've talked about here extensively and the other one is brand new and hasn't come back from the custom shop yet. Today I purchased an SR9c from Riley's Guns in Hookset, New Hampshire for $425. I brought it home, field stripped it, removed the mag disconnect, polished the easy parts (mostly the striker bearing surfaces and the transfer bar) and scrubbed everything thoroughly with CLP. Dry firing the trigger was very nice at that point. As light as my tweaked SR9 and with an even shorter take-up, overtravel and reset. This was exciting.

Headed to the range with about 300 rounds of my own handloads: 124gr Montana Gold JHP with 4.0 grains of TiteGroup powder with CCI small pistol primers. This is the round I shoot for USPSA Production. I set up four USPSA targets at 10-15 yards, one with a no-shoot blocking all but the head.

I know this gun is not going to be used by many people for competition and certainly not by me but this is normal shooting for me so why not give it a try? I was shooting two shots on each target, reloading and shooting two more on each. My expectations were guarded so I was really surprised to see my scores (hits over time) compare closely to my normal scores with the competition gun. I only had two Mikes out of 300 rounds and i was shooting the course in 8-10 seconds. 90% Alpha hits, including the headshot-only target. Oh, and not a single failure of any kind.

Why give all this detail? Because if I were reading this thread because I was interested in the SR9c I would want to know as much as I could.

Final thoughts: this pistol is a big improvement over my original SR9 as it came from the factory. Yes, Ruger stands behind their guns but in this case the pistol is excellent right off the bat. The trigger is perfect for a CCW gun.

Some may complain that they shouldn't have to work on a new pistol to get good results. Well, I recently paid about four times as much for a Springfield TRP 1911 and yes, it is an amazing gun right from the factory. It ought to be. For those interested in a really good gun for short money I simply can't find a better deal out there right now. And 1/2 hour of work to get this pistol shooting this well is a no-brainer for me.

Thanks to all those who have posted such great information about the original SR9 here. I really appreciate it.

William Daugherty
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