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 Post subject: Beckwith 7 shot rifle?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:39 pm 
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Is this true? I watched disc one of the "Young Riders" last night. The pony express station owner or manager received a crate full of rifles for other station managers.

What these rifles were was a 50 caliber 7 shot rifle with a big multi barrel like a pepperbox. But these barrels did not rotate. When you pulled the trigger all 7 barrels fired at the same time. They were intended to protect the station against siege.

They did have one hammer on them. As far as I could see it looked like it took a percussion cap although in one scene a guy fired one and fired a second time about 3 seconds later, so I don't know how he could have loaded it so fast. I was under the impression that it was a muzzle loader.

The things looked like they weighed a ton. Was there ever such a beast? Were these things real? I think in the movie they called them the Beckwith rifle or something close to that.

That big barrel with 7 holes in it looked a little bigger in diameter than a baseball. A most formidable weapon if it was real.

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Cary, an EXTENSIVE Google search on "beckwith rifle" turns up
nothing but multiple references to a local story here, the rifle that
was used by Byron De La Beckwith to kill civil rights leader
Meggar Evers here in MS years ago.

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There were such things, volley guns large and small. Hand held to crew served... but if Bekwith was a real one I couldn't tell ya.


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I wish I'd taken a picture of it off the TV screen now. If they were fakes, then the prop dept made up about 5 of them. I saw about five of them in one scene. In the show they had one heck of a kick.

Imagine firing 7 50 cal. barrels at the same time. When I saw it I got to thinking, "why seven shots"? I mean it seems like it would be easier to lay out and make it with 6 shots. if you draw a circle with 7 small circles in it like barrels you have one at the top and two at the bottom. It just doesn't lay out evenly. Hmmmm.....after finding the picture below, I forgot about the one hole being in the center.

I also Googled it with no success.

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Here is a pic I found of one of the guys holding one of the rifles.

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OK, here's something I found. It's a piece of an interview with Ed Speilman, the creator or "Young Riders".

The interesting thing about the Beckwith Volley guns, is that they're real. I do a lot of original firearms in my shows. I unearth things that people haven't seen on film. I called a friend of mine who is a gunsmith and a purveyor of vintage firearms, I asked him what the most powerful shoulder firing weapon of the period was... and he said "I've got one. Come over." He showed me this actual Beckwith Volley Gun. They were used on ships. They would clear a whole boarding plank full of pirates...with one shot. Just clear the whole thing. The volley gun has six barrells in one, each 50 caliber and they all fire at once. For the pilot, we made two
real 'firing' guns and several rubber replicas. When we were doing the actual filming, we could have two actors firing the actual guns, and the others holding the non-firing replicas. We had a bunch of interesting things like that on the pilot, and it was great fun.

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caryc wrote:
Here is a pic I found of one of the guys holding one of the rifles.

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Sorry Cary, just a reference to the pic's location shows up but
not the pic itself. :(

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That's funny. Don't you see the pic in your own post? Since you quoted my post, I see the picture in your post also.

What does it show? can you copy it?

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I don't see it either.

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caryc wrote:
That's funny. Don't you see the pic in your own post? Since you quoted my post, I see the picture in your post also.

What does it show? can you copy it?


Cary this is what I see:

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Hows this?

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Hows this?

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I don't know how that double posted, but I had no delete option on either post. Anyway you can't tell from the pic, but the gun has a full shoulder stock on it and like I said, what looks like one percussion cap hammer.

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Much better, I see it now Cary, that thing looks awesome, I have an
aching shoulder just imagining the recoil!

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OW! That's gonna leave a mark. Thanks for getting the photo up.

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