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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:08 pm 
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Gun shops cant seem to sell enough single shot rifles these days, particularly carbines.

WHEN IS RUGER GOING TO BRING BACK THE NO.3 CARBINE 45-70??????


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:36 pm 
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I wouldn't look for it to ever happen. The market seems to being met by used ones.

They weren't big sellers and that's why Ruger dropped them.

With the new management and even more emphasis on profits and not stocking or making guns that don't sell, it's unlikely it'll happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:17 pm 
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Be happy they haven't dropped the #1 rifles..............yet!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:12 pm 
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All thsoe selling so much are the inexpensive (under $200) NEF's or H&R's. Not exactly the same league as the #3's or #1's. These are more of a gentleman's rifle with a bit of class unlike the simple break opens. Most now won't pay the additional cost for a nicer firearm when an inexpensive alternative is available. Holds true even more so when the alternatives allow changeable bbls.
Two different clases of single shots.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:22 pm 
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I want a #3 reissue available in 454 Casull/45 Colt with oiled wood and decent sights


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:11 pm 
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I'd love to just find a #3 in 30-40 Krag. They are kinda scarce in these parts.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:40 am 
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If the #1s were not so expensive I would have at least a couple. I would buy a #3 if they could bring them back where a regular Joe could afford one.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:14 pm 
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I never bought a #3 when they were available. The price difference from a #3 compared to a #1 was never enough lower to make it make sense to me.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:08 pm 
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I just like carbines and I like single shot falling block rifles. The Ruger No. 1 is just too big and I would in fact be settling. If Ruger would equip the No. 3 with integral scope mounts, which just happen to be compatible with a particular type of peep sight- or better yet with an integral peep sight installed- I feel like the gun would be a winner.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:49 pm 
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I have proposed a #3 available in
357 max (38 & 357Mag)
44 Spec/44mag
454 Casull/45Colt
.22 Hornet
.223
7.62x39
30-30
6.8SPC
45/70
450 Marlin
Winchester short mags
Have an oiled wood "cowboy" model with tang sight
have a synthetic with Pictinny rail and in the hard hitting calibers
have a high finish with color case, fancy wood, etc.
Make sight options, muzzlebrake, youth size stock, etc as affordable options
Even better, make it an interchangeable barrel setup, even a muzzleloader or Turkey gun option
KEEP THE PRICE WHERE WORKING FOLKS CAN AFFORD IT!
Bet that Ruger could sell a bunch of them


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:43 pm 
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The #3 is the same action as the #1 which is where most of the cost is incurred. The #3 was only cheaper because of cosmetics. Any reintroduction would still only be able to be marginally less expensive than a #1.


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Using the No. 1 actions it could be done without any noticeable cost in manufacturing. In fact, even a no.1 action with cosmetic scuffs could be blasted ala Remington's "express" models, for a run of no. 3 carbines for market-test purposes.

If Ruger is in control of their manufacturing system a second-line supervisor could make up a run of "No. 3 Special Issue" guns from No. 1 production, blasted finish or even target grey ! as an afterthought.

I believe a distributor could even have 5K made in a hunter's configuration, something in 32 caliber or larger please! We need a good woods-caliber carbine again!

My favorite No. 3 carries a 19" barrel (I believe Atkinson?) made up back in 1988, in 348 Winchester. :D

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:56 pm 
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It isn't going to happen. I just hope we can hang onto the #1 for a while longer before the bean counters signal it's end.

It was around and kept around s=due to the Old Man. Some of the pressures for profits were set back further on the burner in his life. Now that he's gone and ALL the Ruger family is out of the picture, it's just a matter of the profit margin.

The "S" with sights is gone because nobody bough them according to Ruger.
Yes they are making a bunch of big stiff. I can't think they can keep it in production by the numbers sold.

Yes, I know, a lot of you like and want one. On the other hand there is NO shortage of any of the calibers 405, 9mm etc for sale on the net at retail.

I personally think that niche is pretty small.

The Lipskey rifles are interesting and well thought out and even then they don't sell out in a hurry. No shortage of any of them at the original price and some are now actually a little under.

If and when they build the "A" in 250 Savage I'll pay the price and buy one. Even then I don't think they'll sell out over night.

The Whelen and the Roberts are still available at or near the original asking price.

If they made 5000 of anything, a lot would sit on the shelf for a very long time. That's lot's more than most calibers were ever produced in, in any given year and more than the total production for some years.

The #1 in general is a niche rifle. Most of the truly "popular" calibers have already been explored/produced. Many were failures in their time.

I don't look for new management to produce anything that is risky and that might sit for a prolonged period before they make their money back. Just not the way "business" is done any more.

RWT


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:53 am 
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Pakerized finish #3 action with 20" barrel in 454 Casull with pictinny rail for optic or iron sight options, Smith Arms style muzzlebrake and synthetic stock options

Same gun in Winchester short mags, or new 375 Ruger & wildcats off that cartridge, .223, .243, 260,7mm-08, 308 and make a youth stocked model too

oiled wood, colorcase finish, octagon barrel in 357 Max (38/357), 44 Mag, 454 Casull/45 Colt, 30-30, 38-55, 40-65, 45-70
Sight options, tang, Buckhorn, receiver

I think they would sell a bunch of them especially if they can keep the price where working folks, farmers, etc can afford them


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:55 pm 
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Don: This has entered the realm of a wish list.

It isn't going to happen.

They were discontinued because they didn't sell in quantities large enough to justify continued production.

The market is being met for #3s on the used market for about $500. No way they can do it new for that. No way they are going to introduce a bunch of cartridges of marginal interest, albeit some of your favorites.

You suggest they bring the price point down and then want it with a octagon barrel and a color case hardened frame, both of which cost money above and beyond standard production cost.

I"m afraid is you want a #3 in one of the calibers mentioned, you are going to have to make one.

RWT


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