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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:26 am 
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I do my best to keep it.. We have a 6-7ft one that ate some baby birds a few weeks ago and my wife was quite dismayed ... but the reality is we like having the snake living under our house....

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:28 am 
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blume357 wrote:
I do my best to keep it.. We have a 6-7ft one that ate some baby birds a few weeks ago and my wife was quite dismayed ... but the reality is we like having the snake living under our house....



Oh and that comment about the copperheads might be right... I used to kill one or two a year and usually find that many run over in the road. Have not seen one in at least two years. And believe me we have copperheads in my neighborhood.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:41 pm 
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Man! What a pair of beauties! Ever black snake I can capture, goes home with me and into the back yard they go. Even green snakes and garter snakes, attitude and all.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:09 am 
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I had an second floor apartment back in the 70’s that had Starlings, and sparrows nesting under the eaves. I worked nights, and they made it difficult to sleep. One day I heard something on the other side of the wall that sounded like someone was rubbing on the other side. I went up into the attic, and here come a big black rat snake. I calmly backed out of there, closed the door, and within a week, no more birds!
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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:05 pm 
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contender wrote:
"Black snakes have a nasty disposition and bite."

I politely beg to disagree sir. I am a State certified Animal Damage Control Agent,, and I deal with animals daily. And black snakes are not that way. In fact,, I OFTEN just walk up to them, pick them up WITHOUT restraint, supporting their weight, allowing them to move around in my hands, as I move them to a new home.

They can be a bit aggressive when shedding,,, or mating,, but not in general. Younger snakes seem more active & defensive,, but all of them prefer to avoid attacks by any predator. And often, a human is looked at as a predator. But calm actions are often accepted by them. I know folks who have them living in & around their hoses to where they are seen & enjoyed daily. Once they determine you are not a predator,, they are quite nice to have around. And they are excellent rodent control. They also keep poisonous snakes away.
Bull snakes are also a good snake to have around,, but not the only good snake.


Maybe the NC strain are nicer. They're the only snake I've ever been bitten by, and more than once. Caught snakes all the time when I was younger here in KS. We use to take bull snakes into town and spook folks with them. They let us then we took them back and let them go, or took them home and turned them loose around the house or around the farm. Only ever saw a couple bull snakes get growly. Black rat snakes no go. They also get in older septic systems and come in the house via the toilet. Never seen any other snake but a black rat snake do that around here at least. I kill every one I see but I'll leave the ones in NC alone :D


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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:42 am 
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gunsbam69 wrote:
Black rat snakes no go. They also get in older septic systems and come in the house via the toilet. Never seen any other snake but a black rat snake do that around here at least. I kill every one I see but I'll leave the ones in NC alone :D


I’m a pretty big feller, but I’ll admit to being kind of scared of snakes. That would DEFINITELY qualify for a bad day in my world! :shock:

Outdoors, I just let them alone, “no screaming, or nothing.” :D In my plumbing fixtures, I’d be plenty excited! I think I’m going to start turning on the light now, if I need to use the pot at night! :mrgreen:

Snakes, gators, scorpions, fire ants... the cold weather up here keeps most of that stuff at bay!


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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:52 am 
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Luckily,, it's not too common to find black snakes inside an older septic system. BUT,, they can & will enter a home via the holes in floors etc AROUND plumbing fixtures. Mobile home & pre-fab homes are the worst for such holes.
They manufacture these holes,, cutting a 6" hole in the floor,, and then run a 1-1/4" drain line,, and (2) 1/2" supply lines through the 6" hole. It allows for easier tolerance fitting of the tubs, commodes, sinks etc. Then, from the underneath,, they put fiberglass roll insulation, followed by a fiber material to cover it all & call it good. Over time, the insulation sags,, or more often,, the hole,, which allows a small air flow point, attracts mice. Mice burrow in,, and the snakes follow the mice.
In my business,, I get calls about black snakes inside bathrooms,, and most often,, the only hole is the plumbing access.
While harmless,, the black snakes do cause excitement,, especially to folks NOT expecting one while going to "relax" in their bathroom.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:32 am 
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We should of all had a favorite uncle like I had.
He owned a good size farm in acreage and had a few hundred head of feeder cattle. He let me live with them a month or so during the summer.

One very early hot and sunny summer morning on our trip to the feed lot I spotted a large black snake sunning himself much like this picture shows; hanging on the side of an old shed. I commented that I'd run down there to kill it. Now that I look back at my 10 or 12 year old self, not sure why killing it seemed the first option but ... it was.

Uncle Cy politely gave me a list of the reasons why he didn't mind a black snake around the farm and that was that. Good lesson learned from one of my childhood mentors.

But I still don't like snakes. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:36 am 
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contender wrote:
"Black snakes have a nasty disposition and bite."

I politely beg to disagree sir. I am a State certified Animal Damage Control Agent,, and I deal with animals daily. And black snakes are not that way. In fact,, I OFTEN just walk up to them, pick them up WITHOUT restraint, supporting their weight, allowing them to move around in my hands, as I move them to a new home.

They can be a bit aggressive when shedding,,, or mating,, but not in general. Younger snakes seem more active & defensive,, but all of them prefer to avoid attacks by any predator. And often, a human is looked at as a predator. But calm actions are often accepted by them. I know folks who have them living in & around their hoses to where they are seen & enjoyed daily. Once they determine you are not a predator,, they are quite nice to have around. And they are excellent rodent control. They also keep poisonous snakes away.
Bull snakes are also a good snake to have around,, but not the only good snake.


I once picked up a rosy boa and it turned around and bit me on the knuckle. For those who don't know: Rosies are about as vicious as an indigo snake, but a lot smaller! My one-year old daughter carried one around as a pet when I was in college. My Herpetology professor called me a "liar" (jokingly) when I told him!

FYI: she was hungry, shedding and had been roughly handled just before I picked her up. I don't know who was more surprised, her or me!

We once had a 16 ft "retic" (reticulated python) in a pet store I managed while in college. I would go sit with her in the front window to get away from the bratty kids!

Also, I have been bitten by more bull snakes (out west we call them gopher snakes, Pituophis)) than any other species.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:08 pm 
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So 32shooter,
What did they find when they tore the shed down?

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:18 pm 
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32shooter wrote:
I was sitting on my Mother's deck this evening with her, my Brother and Aunt and I glanced over on the side of the old spring house that is standing(barely) between her house and garage and this is what I saw. The spring house has a sandstone in it dated 1858. It is falling down and is going to be torn down sometime this summer. The guys dismantling it might be in for a surprise.
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Since no one pointed it out, these snakes are copulating, therefore there may have been a lot of baby snakes when the shed was torn down?
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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:50 am 
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contender wrote:
Yes,, snakes generally have a home territory as long as their needs are met. Just like most animals & such. When their needs are no longer available,, they do move. Last year,, I caught & relocated a female timber rattler & her 9 juvies from under a porch. They were there because a fire had ravaged the area all around this home about 1-1/2 years earlier,, and all the local homes had been saved. So,, that home had not been occupied,, until a few weeks prior to me getting the call. The snake had just found a nice place,, away from the burnt area,, and had her babies. They have a new home now.


While I was in grad school, a fellow student in my "lab" did her thesis on home range of sidewinders. Seemed the range of movements was limited more by temperature (in desert species), food and terrain. Most of hers didn't move more than 1/2 to 1 mile.

My bears would "come back" at distances over 250 miles. Over 250 was a "relocation". Less than 250 miles was a "Putback". We moved two from Angeles Forest (San Gabriel River area) to the Sierras near Yosemite. Both were back in about 2 weeks. Bears use olfactory clues (smell) much like salmon do but in reverse, following streams downstream.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Snakes
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:22 pm 
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Joe S. wrote:
So 32shooter,
What did they find when they tore the shed down?

Shed is still standing, buyer has not removed it yet.


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