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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:20 am 
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mohavesam wrote:
Consider that steel is used by any manufacturer, to reduce costs. That equals lower quality overall.


Not sure how you got from here to there ... it's just another material. Does not necessarily result in 'lower overall quality'. :D

Won't hurt your gun in the least.

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revhigh wrote:
mohavesam wrote:
Consider that steel is used by any manufacturer, to reduce costs. That equals lower quality overall.


Not sure how you got from here to there ... it's just another material. Does not necessarily result in 'lower overall quality'. :D

Won't hurt your gun in the least.

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I avoid steel cased ammo because it is imported.

Of course, I also take a walk with a magnet on a stick picking up the steel cases I find in local shooting areas on public land. Toss it in with other metals to sell to recyclers.

Amazing what a magnet will pick up.

I feed my guns American made ammo. Brass or aluminum, but MADE IN USA please.

It's part of my Economic Stimulus Plan :)


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ChrisInTempe wrote:
I avoid steel cased ammo because it is imported.

Of course, I also take a walk with a magnet on a stick picking up the steel cases I find in local shooting areas on public land. Toss it in with other metals to sell to recyclers.

Amazing what a magnet will pick up.

I feed my guns American made ammo. Brass or aluminum, but MADE IN USA please.

It's part of my Economic Stimulus Plan :)

It might be made in the US, but is the brass from the US. More than likely not. I guess you'll have to quit shooting and sell all your guns. :lol:

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The Wall wrote:
ChrisInTempe wrote:
I avoid steel cased ammo because it is imported.

Of course, I also take a walk with a magnet on a stick picking up the steel cases I find in local shooting areas on public land. Toss it in with other metals to sell to recyclers.

Amazing what a magnet will pick up.

I feed my guns American made ammo. Brass or aluminum, but MADE IN USA please.

It's part of my Economic Stimulus Plan :)

It might be made in the US, but is the brass from the US. More than likely not. I guess you'll have to quit shooting and sell all your guns. :lol:


Nope, I ain't that extreme about it. I do the best I can, I put out the effort and most of the time I do alright.


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Ruger Redhawk wrote:
I haven't and wouldn't shoot steel case in any of my guns.

This is from the Ruger manual.

The SR1911TM pistols are compatible with all factory ammunition of the
correct caliber loaded to U.S. Industry Standards, including high-velocity and
hollow-point loads, loaded in brass, aluminum, or steel cartridge cases.
No .45
Auto ammunition manufactured in accordance with NATO, U.S., SAAMI, or CIP
standards is known to be beyond the design limits or known not to function in
these pistols.


Ruger says it's SR1911 is compatible with steel cases.

I would have to say y'all that say its bad practice are full of horse apples. 8)

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No matter what the manufacturer, or anyone else, says, its just common sense. Steel will abrade steel. Steel will abrade brass. Which one do you prefer?

Just how long the process would take on a feed ramp/chamber of a barrel is another question.

If it were my gun I wouldn't fire any steel cased ammo in it unless I could not, or would not, reload my own.


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desertrat wrote:
No matter what the manufacturer, or anyone else, says, its just common sense. Steel will abrade steel. Steel will abrade brass. Which one do you prefer?


Neither ... or nothing ... which is exactly what will happen if you use steel cased ammo in your Ruger 1911. It's fine. Preaching that steel will abrade steel doesn't say much about that fact that the SLIDE AND THE FRAME are both made of steel.

Perhaps you want a brass slide or frame to prevent abrasion ??

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I wouldn't trust my life to it, seeing how most steel case ammo is manufactured by companies that have lower quality control, but I'll shoot it at the range through anything I've got.
It's affordable, accurate enough, and it tends to go bang most of the time.


Looking at the steel casings next to the brass casings, out of both my SR9 and my Taurus PT1911, the same amount of damage from the extractor and ejector seems to be applied to both. I seriously doubt the steel is anywhere NEAR the hardness of the firearm's components.
Steel doesn't just exist in one state, there are countless amounts of steels with varying composition; many malleable and soft.

Steel abrades steel, but hardness always wins. A soft steel will not noticeably abrade a hard steel, a hard steel will quickly abrade a soft steel.



Let's toss a wrench in the gears. Anyone shoot aluminum case ammo?


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revhigh wrote:
.....Preaching that steel will abrade steel doesn't say much about that fact that the SLIDE AND THE FRAME are both made of steel...


In a semi-auto pistol where the cartridge does a couple of rotations before entering the chamber you have places of unusual contact wear.

If you're using a steel case instead of brass it will tend to wear the feed ramp & upper chamber faster than it would otherwise.

The steel to steel contact of the slide, barrel & frame have an included design criteria intended to minimize wear in those areas.

I doubt if the steel used in a steel cased round is the same grade & quality as the feed ramp and chamber.


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I've shot a fair amount of steel case ammo in 9mm, 45auto, and .223. It does not appear to be creating any more or less damage then the brass ammo. I could not see how that would be any different than in a SR1911.

I would never use steel case ammo for anything other than informal target shooting. I've had magazine feeding issues with the 9mm that I never have with brass, on both the 9mm and 45 ammo I've seen primers partially crushed and seated incorrectly. I've even had a primer on one 45 load totally blow out of the case upon firing. With the 223 in an AR I've seen the rounds tend to stick in the chamber because of the finish and the rim actually ripped off by the extractor.

I still will shoot 9mm and 45 in my guns but I tend to do it sparingly I am not so worried about damage from the metal case as I would be concerned about quality control of the round itself.

I don't care what anyone else thinks I've shot enough of it to know it is no where near the quality of the Federal, Winchester, or Remington ammo that I use. And I will only reload brass, steel was never intended to be reloaded, it just does not have the properties to handle resizing well.

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I only shot steel case Wolf Ammo .40 S&W & 45 ACp through my Glock 21 & my SAXD40 with no problems what so ever.? This was just for breaking them in.? Only shot about 100 rds through both of them & that's it,? no more. :o


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desertrat wrote:
In a semi-auto pistol where the cartridge does a couple of rotations before entering the chamber you have places of unusual contact wear.



Never heard of the cartridge "rotating" as it chambers..... Where did you hear about this??

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forddave wrote:
i have shot steel case ammo in my sr1911 and other firearms i own and have not had any issues. some say it's ok others say no don't do it. to each his own.


Agreed! While I prefer not to use it, others do, and I will not second their choices.

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Richbaker wrote:
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In a semi-auto pistol where the cartridge does a couple of rotations before entering the chamber you have places of unusual contact wear.



Never heard of the cartridge "rotating" as it chambers..... Where did you hear about this??


Yeah ... I wasn't even going to get into it ... if you believe that matters or even if you believe it happens to whatever extent ... it's not worth arguing that point with anyone if they believe it.

Does it move around axially a little ... sure ... but rotating several times ... I don't think so.

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