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Welcome to RevHighs world, where everything is based on Ohms Law and flows from positive to negative. Best to just ignore it unless you get a kick out of waisting your breathe. He's not always right, but he's never wrong.
I also carry my 1911, and several others as well.

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LOL !! Good One TW ... it's never worth getting all riled up over a post on the internet ! It's amazing so many people do ....


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I was an LEO for ten years. My 2nd department, the People's Republic of Palo Alto, California would never allow anyone to carry a .357 let alone a .45. I carried one off duty all that time and sometimes while doing "special" work. I never had a problem or worried about an accidental shooting due to the safety system it employs. I am aware of accidental shootings, or unintended firing of weapons including the Smith Model 19 (mine had a hair-pin trigger) Remington 870 shotgun, and the metal Smith 9mms. In each case, the officer was holding the weapon and engaged in an activity not intending to fire the weapon, clearing a tube magazine, emptying the handgun, etc. and the cause was always the same. The officer had his/her finger on the trigger. Those who were familiar and practiced (dry fire and on the range) with their particular firearm, never had those problems (one guy was pulling his shotgun from the car. He did not know if it was loaded, didn't check to see if the safety was on, and had his finger inside the trigger guard. With a 1911, I know whether or not my hand is on the grip safety and rather or not the slide safety is on or off. Pretty simple. Unfortunately some people don't put in the necessary time and thought to what they are doing whether driving or handling a firearm.

I bought, read and re-read this book before I ever decided to carry. I also took my CCW training course as a part of my decision process on CCW.
As a result I now carry as an informed citizen. It's serious business, as the book clearly explains. Not something taken lightly. I do not consider myself yet fully trained.

One of the thing that I take pride in is knowing what I DO NOT KNOW. Having the guns and ammo and CCW do not make you an expert, or inherently safe.

P.S. I do not (yet) carry my SR1911. I defer to mt SR9 and LCR.

Exactly. And that's with (supposedly) well trained LEO's ....

Mostly thought .... as we've just witnessed here with many of the comments ...

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Pretty scary read ... wasn't it Steve ?? Especially the part about ....

"As soon as you use your firearm against another person ... the justice system IMMEDIATELY changes from protecting you .... to prosecuting you .... "

I'll NEVER forget that sentence.

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Rev-that one set me back about 6 months. It's a "tough-love" way to understand the real consequences of strapping on a gun to defend onesself. The opinions stated on this forum were another important part of my decision process.

I hear ya ... you're doing it the right way. If you get a chance try to get some additional training as well. I've taken 3 or 4 courses. One of our local indoor ranges has a 'tactical' night, where you can go and practice different scenarios with other shooters (mostly cops), but only AFTER you've demonstrated proficiency with safe weapons practices, and to a certain lesser degree ... marksmanship abilities. Most of the scenarios are at close range ... less than 20 feet (some much closer) ... and you would be AMAZED at how many people completely miss the target ... the cops included. Now if there had been a civillian behind the perp when you missed .... see ya .....

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About half as scary as the headlines in the news all too often where evil gained a notch over good because people were afraid to take a stand and vow to NOT be a victim. After one commits to take a stand, nothing anyone else "writes" should change that, and that certainly is not Massad's main intent. That information should only be used as part of your plan to defend and prepare yourself and your family. Had Massad himself not taken that stand by age 12, likely he and or his father would not have been with us.

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Absolutely. Information, knowledge, and training are paramount to responsibly carrying a firearm. Sadly ... many (if not MOST) CCW holders are sorely lacking in all three.

I'm not saying don't carry ... I'm saying carry responsibly, be informed, know as much as you can, try not to make any stupid decisions about the gun that you carry, and NEVER give an opposing side ANY ammunition to be used AGAINST you in a court of law.

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Good to hear you say that. Sometimes comments like below can be interpreted as just the opposite.

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Its a big misconception to think that most LEO's are well trained or knowledgeable about firearms. Most are not. I am not kidding when I say there is cops out here that I would not trust with sharp eating utensils let alone a firearm.

It still all boils down to keep your finger off the trigger unless you are engaging a threat. The platform your using comes in a distant second to that.

100% agreed. Most cops aren't gun guys.

The difference between most LEO's and most civillians is TRAINING. They may be complete fools with a gun in their hand, but they DO usually have FORMAL training, and the documents to prove it, which is a helluva lot better than the civillian who just got their first gun, their brand new CCW, they have 200 rounds a year downrange, and now they're carrying a cocked and locked 1911. Or worse yet ... carrying a 1911 in condition 2 or 3. Now they're fumbling to rack the slide (when most jams occur) or cock the hammer by hand (don't let it slip off your thumb), because even THEY'RE afraid of carrying in Condition 1, which is actually the safest for an experienced 1911 person. Can you spell recipe for disaster ?

Yeah ... we all know to keep our fingers off the trigger unless we're prepared to shoot, but if everybody's so damn good at gun handling, muzzle control, and trigger control .... how come there are thousands of mistakes made at ranges around the country every week. People with their fingers on the triggers with loaded guns pointed at people, people sweeping other people or the entire firing line with loaded guns, etc etc. Anybody who's ever been at a range has had that happen or seen it happen.

I've shot tens of thousands of rounds of 45ACP out of 1911's, and I won't carry one anymore. Not when guns like Glocks, LCP's, SR's, or P3AT's are available.

Bottom line .... carry whatever the hell you want to. Carry modified guns, with amateur kitchen table gunsmith work, carry reloads, change the springs (usually for no reason), put in fire control groups from aftermarket manufacturers ... whatever. Chances are you'll be just fine .... until you're not ....

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I was referring to a decision a person might make BECAUSE they read the book "In The Gravest Extreme" ... not that I don't think people should carry.

I also think that some people can get in MORE trouble carrying than not carrying, depending on the decisions that they make. If you live in a truly dangerous area ... personally ... I'd move if I really thought I'd be likely to get in gunfights on a regular basis.

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You mean like the BG's we should be out on the lookout for that belong in jail? Do you wonder how many of them are right here amongst us??

BTW...yes I know you really mean those that buy and don't practice or research the laws.

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