WoodsWalker- I have several of the Kramers-auto and revolver. They ain't cheap but they are top quality!!! I've been using my IWB for my Combat Commander since '91. No retention strap, just a "pressure" fit. I've slept with it on, been in the creek a couple of times, and been thrown from a horse once with it on, never lost my weapon!! In the last year, the holster has lost some of its tension. If I turn the holster upside down (in my hand!!) with a loaded pistol in it, the pistol will slowly begin to fall out. I may be in the market for a new Kramer!!! This holster saw almost daily use for the first eight years I had it, plus the above mistreatment!! And don't forget a good belt. Mine are double thickness horsehide from Kramer. The belts last like the holsters, as long as your waistline lasts. Mine didn't, so I stepped up to new belts in 40" !!! Hank in Va.