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 Post subject: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 5:30 pm 
Hawkeye

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Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch. What he has to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 3l6BR4YXKY

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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 12:13 am 
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He was fun to listen too. The only thing I am critical about what he said was that cops shoot til empty many times. I cannot speak for every police agency in the US, but around here police train only to shoot to stop the threat due to the deadly force laws both US and this state. Emptying 17 rounds may or maynot be a training issue. With the 12 rounds average that means just that average, some less some more. Same as the revolver data from many years ago at 2.6? that was a average so, some shot 6, some shot 1. At 6 the gun was empty. Only data I found for citizen shooting was still a couple shots per gun fight. That came from a recent book in 1 city.
The information was so true about many getting shot in their head due to looking over a object and exposing only their head. I once had to lay on the cold street behind a front wheel of a car for around 45 minutes while a BG was 2 stories above, across the street. My only shot was to use the vehicles hood, I did not and stayed in place even as a a pipe bomb was tossed at me. There is a lot more to that story, but I did not plan on that location to take on armed BGs it was all I had and ended up a bad tactical move, but the only available one at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 5:46 am 
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I'd say unless you are very proficient at magazine changes in a fire fight it is a bad idea to run the weapon empty.... it is going to take several minutes to be sure there are no other threats around.

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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 6:23 am 
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"Student of weapons craft". Probably the most important thing he said, other than keeping your head in one piece. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:35 am 
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Blume, your right about running a gun dry in a self defense shooting. Train for, after the trigger is done being used, scan, look, listen, move, call for help, check for more threats and top of the gun with a full magazine. Put the used mag. were it can be gotten again if needed. When holstering, do so with fully loaded gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:27 am 
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Two police officers comments:
Almost all the officers I have known who got in shoot outs ended things with just a couple of rounds... I can think of only a couple of protracted firefights that needed a reload...

As to shooting over the top of cover... Greenland, NH PD Chief with two weeks left to retirement did this and paid the price... Round fired out of a basement window skipped off the hood of the car he was leaning over with an AR and poked him right in the eye...

Sarge: Both paragraphs pretty much mirror my observations with your second underscoring something I taught for decades-

You have to be good, The other guy only has to be lucky.

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 Post subject: Re: Till it's Empty
PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 9:22 am 
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Listening to Clint talk reminded me of Ted Nugent! Hard to keep up cause I don’t think that fast! He validated what I had always thought about using the ammo of fallen comrades to continue the battle. Another thought I have is: if you pick up an unknown weapon, CHECK THE BARREL FOR OBSTRUCTION prior to firing. Very interesting things may happen if you don’t!
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