Bearcat cylinder size old and new

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goboom

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Early Bearcat has a very tight fitting cylinder (front to back has almost no endplay).
Not sure if previous owner installed a later cylinder.
Can someone please give:
1) Dimensions for EARLY overall cylinder length and width?
2) Dimensions for LATE overall cylinder length and width?
 

contender

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You will not find exact measurements,, as there is always minor differences in OAL. It has to do with timing the bbl & fitting the cylinder to the gun.
 

goboom

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Once installed, the cylinder cycles normally without ammo. However, it is really tough installing it into the frame opening.
I guess another question would be, "How tight is too tight?"
 

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Most of us install a cylinder,, and check the barrel to cylinder gap with feeler gauges. In general, a gap of .003 is considered pretty good,, a .002 is tight but acceptable,, all while .004 to .008 is acceptable for use. Getting a gap of .010 or larger is usually a bit disconcerning,, as it promotes lead and powder spitting. But I've seen a few guns with gaps larger than .010 that were excellent shooters.
In general, most factory guns usually fall in the .004 to .008 range.
 

goboom

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Is there some way of identifying a smaller old model cylinder versus a larger later model?
I understand the later is longer and/or wider, but not sure by how much.
 

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Ok, I'm not sure where you got that info,, but I just measured 4 Ruger Bearcats. On early OM "Alphabet" an OM Super Bearcat, a NM stainless, and a NM 50th anniv. one.
All 4 were almost identical in the cylinder diameters,, and within the normal OAl's found in varying guns where the OAL is determined by the barrel set-back & such.
Both OM's & NM's are pretty much the same when it comes to cylinder dimensions.
 

goboom

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Good to have this clarified. Comments elsewhere led me to believe there was a difference, so thank you for the clarification.
 

Hondo44

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Since it's a correct cyl, let's address your complaint.

A couple of strokes with a honing stone held flat on the front cyl hub (gas ring) will take off .001" in no time and end your frustration with assembling the cyl.
 
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must also keep in mind that often when putting the cylinder back in the frame of the Bearcats, there is NOT a lot of room for the lockwork and the pawl may stick out ever so slightly and keep the cylinder from "dropping" in, a simple turn of the cylinder with your fingertips clockwise( from the rear) as its seating ( setting) in the pawl will slip by the ratchet and the cylinder will drop in.....ask me how I know,,,after a few THOUSANDS of installing the Bearcat cylinders, it can sometimes defy the laws of nature............ 8) :roll: :wink: (kinda like the early RSTs/Mk I's...) :shock:

and yes the cylinders are too close to the same measurements......you just KNOW a stainless one is NOT an "old model", nor is the "Magnum marked" one :roll:
 
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Ignoring all except the actual size of the area the cartridges fit into I measured a very early Old model Bearcat and a Super Bearcat. both were 1.35". All the New Model cylinders were 1.40 - 1.41" . The Old Model cylinders will easily fit into a New Model; the reverse is not true.
 
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