10-22 dry fire

I am a member here but admit to not coming here often. If this has been covered recently just refer me to that thread.
I just attended an Appleseed shooting clinic and was very surprised to hear the instructors say it was perfectly ok to dry fire the Ruger 10-22 and they instructed all 15 of us (all were using the 10-22) how to practice trigger control by dry firing many times in succession and continue to do this at home. Just being me, I questioned this for the obvious reasons (to me) They assured me and everyone that it would not harm the 10-22 and that they had checked with Ruger to confirm this. I opted not to dry fire mine (SR22) so they brought me a loaner to use for the exercise.
Thoughts on this please.

smokndav said:

Thoughts on this please.

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Why? If you won't take Ruger's word on it (and it's in the owner's manual), whose word here would you take? :? :? :? :?

Snake45 said:

smokndav said:

Thoughts on this please.

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Why? If you won't take Ruger's word on it (and it's in the owner's manual), whose word here would you take? :? :? :? :?

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I came here for the info you supplied but did not expect such a smart ass response.
I did not get the original info direct from Ruger and did not know it was in the owners manual.
thanks, I think

Always glad to help. :wink:

I instruct with Project Appleseed. We are not going to tell you anything that would damage your rifle.

Just curious. Ruger stamps right on the barrel to read the manual before using the rifle. They provide the manual with every rifle and will send you one free if you can't find it. Its available on line.

WHY do you not read the manual before firing the rifle??? :roll:

I will assume that you dry fired the loaner rife? So it's OK to do it to someone else's rifle but not yours?

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct. I certainly have the right to question it. I have been told many things in my 65 years by socalled experts that was pure bull. If they want me to dry their rifle then I am ok with it. It was their idea and insisted I practice the trigger control. Thats fine, it does work and I had a hard time remembering to do it, especially in the timed sessions.
I do read the manuals but must have forgotten that part or just simply missed it. I am sure you have never forgotten anything you have read. After all , you are an instructor. And a jerk. Because of your smart ass remarks I will certainly never attend another Appleseed and will not promote it in the future.
The instructors I had were gentlemen, but one of them certainly did not like me questioning the dry fire, BUT, he was a gentleman about it. Unlike you.
I will forward these e-mails to Appleseed.

smokndav said:

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct.

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Then I still don't understand why you would ask for our

Thoughts on this please.

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Or were you just looking for someone to tell you that the Appleseed instructors were full of crap?

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Wow guys! Can't we be a little friendlier around here?

OP it is ok to dry fire your SR22 and the 10/22. The Mk versions should not be dry fired.

Not hard to figure why the OP doesn't come by very often.

The design of the Ruger 10/22 uses a firing pin that does not have enough travel to hit the breech. As such it is incapable of damaging the chamber by dry-firing.

I'm not much impressed with the Appleseed shoots myself.

Snake45 said:

smokndav said:

I do not assume that just because someone that I do not know says something that it is correct.

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Then I still don't understand why you would ask for our

Thoughts on this please.

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Or were you just looking for someone to tell you that the Appleseed instructors were full of crap?

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Yes, I did think they were full of crap but did not say that. I simply voiced my opinion and declined to dry fire my rifle. I certainly have that right. The only intelligent thing you have said was to refer me to the owners manual. You could have left it at that but instead had to be a butt hole in the process.

Jwp721 said:

Wow guys! Can't we be a little friendlier around here?

OP it is ok to dry fire your SR22 and the 10/22. The Mk versions should not be dry fired.

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I just ask a simple question, or so I thought.

9x19 said:

Not hard to figure why the OP doesn't come by very often.

The design of the Ruger 10/22 uses a firing pin that does not have enough travel to hit the breech. As such it is incapable of damaging the chamber by dry-firing.

I'm not much impressed with the Appleseed shoots myself.

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I was ok with day one but by day 2 I was tired, had very sore elbows and my scores went downhill with every target. Day 2 seemed more like a boot camp in the military than something that should be fun.
I was a patriot before I got there but did enjoy the detailed history the instructors talked about. I had never heard it before and was very impressed. I came away no more a patriot but a better rifleman in the old military style of shooting.

smokndav said:

You could have left it at that but instead had to be a butt hole in the process.

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Read back through the thread and see who's insulted whom here. :? :? :?

smokndav said:

They assured me and everyone that it would not harm the 10-22 and that they had checked with Ruger to confirm this.

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This statement is the reason for my comments. If the Project Appleseed instructors told you they checked with Ruger and Ruger themselves said it was OK to dry fire the rifle, why would you believe the members of this Forum any more than you did the Appleseed instructors? You basically implied that the Appleseed Instructors were lying to you.

Please, tell me who threw the first stone?

I'm sure if you send the posts to Appleseed they will cut my pay, which is exactly NOTHING. I gave away 34 days, seventeen weekends, plus travel and lodging expenses last year to teach my fellow Americans how to shoot better. What did you do?

this is my last attempt to try and explain. As I have already said, I do not always take everything everyone says as gospel or fact. I most certainly was not calling anyone a lyer ,I just wanted to confirm one thing. Were they correct about the dry fire or was I correct. Turns out they were correct and I accept that and gain knowledge in the process.
The only problem I have are the folks reading something into my question that was not there and getting smart ass comments along with the answer I was looking for.
Not all of us can be instructors or even want to be instructors, but I am glad you volunteer your time to help out.
I am a Viet Nam vet with 8 years military service to this great country that we are loosing at a very fast rate to socialism. I do what I can while working 2 jobs to be a good patriot and spread the good word.
thats all folks

Thyis may be too little/too late....but....

Snake aint a smart *ss, he just talks plainer than some folks is used to.

I understand the concern(s) that are associated with dry-firing guns, particularly .22 rim-fire guns.
Perhaps the instructor in question should have explained to you WHY it is OK to dry fire your 10-22, instead of saying "because Ruger said so". After all, adults most-usualy require a bit-different of an an answer than does a child.....meaning that "because daddy said so" aint much of an answer for an adult with an equiptment concern.
And BTW, 9X19 has given you the correct answer.

As far as the old-school, 3-position methods of shooting goes.....if it makes you tired 'n sore to the point that effects your shooting, ya either aint doing it right, aint in shape, aint using a proper ground cover, need to practice more, or some combination of them four. At any rate, quitting won't fix any of that.

DGW....who talks perty-plain too.

smokndav said:

The only problem I have are the folks reading something into my question that was not there and getting smart ass comments along with the answer I was looking for.

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If I was a little to blunt for your taste, my apologizes. No one will ever accuse me of being PC. :wink:

The Instructor may not KNOW the WHY of it being OK to dry fire the 10-22. Just because they know how to instruct does not mean they understand how the gun works. Like ODDBALL in "Kelley's Heroes." "I just drive 'em man, I don't know what makes them go." I had an Instructor a couple of weeks ago explain that "take up" is the first stage of the trigger pull and that the 10-22 has a two stage trigger.

BTW, thanks for your service.

DGW1949 said:

Snake aint a smart *ss....

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Now, don't go spreadin' THAT around. You'll ruin my reputation! :wink: :lol: :lol: :twisted:

DGW1949 said:

Thyis may be too little/too late....but....

Snake aint a smart *ss, he just talks plainer than some folks is used to.

I understand the concern(s) that are associated with dry-firing guns, particularly .22 rim-fire guns.
Perhaps the instructor in question should have explained to you WHY it is OK to dry fire your 10-22, instead of saying "because Ruger said so". After all, adults most-usualy require a bit-different of an an answer than does a child.....meaning that "because daddy said so" aint much of an answer for an adult with an equiptment concern.
And BTW, 9X19 has given you the correct answer.

As far as the old-school, 3-position methods of shooting goes.....if it makes you tired 'n sore to the point that effects your shooting, ya either aint doing it right, aint in shape, aint using a proper ground cover, need to practice more, or some combination of them four. At any rate, quitting won't fix any of that.

DGW....who talks perty-plain too.

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I think I was doing it right and had the same Midway mat that most had. Even had some cushy elbow pads. The other items you have exactly right. Out of shape, yes, practice, none. All of the shooters there except for the very young were very tired and had sore and bleeding elbows. I shot almost 600 rds, mostly 10 at a time, so that means many, many times up and down. I don't regret doing it but I should have stopped around noon on the 2nd day. From there every target was worse than the one before and I was just wasting ammo.
I do regret not getting the rifleman patch, missed it by 9 points on the 1st day. Downhill from there. Dag nab it

Well, for you "READ THE MANUAL" guys, the only mention I found in my brand spanking new 10-22 instruction booklet, is on page 17 and only one sentence long. It is under the 10-22 Target Rifle Only heading. " You should practice "dry firing" an empty rifle [with it pointing in a safe direction] to learn the "feel" of the trigger before ever loading it with ammunition". So, not owning a "Target 10-22, I would not/did not read the entire section, and even those smart-azz "experts" wouldn't either, I'd bet...

I can full understand why a gun owner would double check anything, any practice that might do harm to his gun, and coming to a forum entitled "Ruger Rimfires", he might get an honest answer, rather than an azz chewing. Had he known the reaction to his question by the forum gurus, I'm sure he would have gone to RimfireCentral...