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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:01 pm 
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A fellow CA gunowner has what I'm certain is a lowback stainless Security Six and is looking for a) grips and b) ballpark value. Serial number is a "no prefix" 86407511. The serial number appears almost hand stamped, is on the frame grip butt. I did a lookup on the Ruger website and got a "cannot be located".

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/sho ... ?t=1644450

I have several good photos, can't post but can e-mail if someone wants to assure it's a lowback. One shot shows current Hogue grips with the top of them flying way high on the top grip frame, so I'm quite certain between that and serial number that it's a low back.

Where would one find grips for this gun? Most carry the late 151 and higher prefix grip only.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:57 pm 
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The factory wood grips are easy to find and not expensive. Put a WTB ad in the Classified section here.

If it is a Security Six LOW back stainless it a.) will have 150 or 151 prefix and b.) is pretty rare.

Rubber aftermarket grips will be near impossible to find. Not sure they were even made.

Here's a picture of LOW back grip frames.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:16 pm 
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Regarding the serial number, no prefix at all. It's straight up "86407511" so I presume this predates the prefix series, yes?

Just a SWAG, seller doesn't say - would these fit a series 150? Can't tell, thought they might look familiar.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Origin ... SwNrpfVZGv

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:03 pm 
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No, those grips are not low back.

All Six Series double actions had a prefix unless of course the s/n has been altered.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:06 pm 
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dfletcher wrote:
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Regarding the serial number, no prefix at all. It's straight up "86407511" so I presume this predates the prefix series, yes?


Instead of 86407511 could it be 164-07511?

If so it's not a low back.

I'd REALLY like to see a picture of the entire gun including the mysterious s/n. I could be wrong, it's happened before.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:36 pm 
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I would like to see the gun and the serial number in good definition.

There is also the possibility, however remote, that it was a firearm that was used in a crime and had the s/n removed. Or, the first part, maybe even just the first number of the s/n go obliterated somehow. Then it got into the system somehow and the owner, distributor, FFL, whoever, received permission to put a new serial number on it from the BATFE, or just said the hell with it and stamped a number, not knowing the law.

But in the case of the obliterated s/n and new BATFE number there is paperwork that should follow the gun everywhere.

Really need to see, clearly:

1. a good side profile with the grips removed
2. a good clear picture of the serial number

With those two things it can be determined what it is exactly.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:41 pm 
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dfletcher - I sent you a PM to get some pictures sent to me. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:53 pm 
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hittman wrote:
dfletcher wrote:
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Regarding the serial number, no prefix at all. It's straight up "86407511" so I presume this predates the prefix series, yes?


Instead of 86407511 could it be 164-07511?

If so it's not a low back.

I'd REALLY like to see a picture of the entire gun including the mysterious s/n. I could be wrong, it's happened before.


I've asked the CalGuns OP to put up a photo on his original thread. I've looked, double checked and it is 86407511 but as mentioned, amatuerish looking as heck. As in each number oddly spaced and vertically off, as though done one at a time.

When did Ruger start making the Security Six in stainless?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:09 am 
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Yep definitely need pictures. The serial number makes no sense at all.
Look forward to seeing close up of revolver.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 am 
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Security Six's began shipping about 1972, Stainless ones came out in 1975

There is no "Pre-dating a prefix on these"

Once again a reminder; Removed, obliterated or altered serial Numbers are illegal UNLESS authorized by the BATF and you have the documentation. If this is a bogus serial number and it sure seems that way, run away as it can't be made right after the fact.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:51 am 
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It looks as if the original serial number was removed an another bogus serial number was stamped on it. As sceva said "Run away as it can't be made right after the fact." I will add one more thing to what he said. RUN VERY VERY FAST AWAY."

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:37 am 
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I have examined the pictures and here's what I come up with:

Two things stand out to me from the photos.

One, it is definitely a low back frame Security Six, which would be prefixed 150- (although there are some out there that are 151- prefix but they are pretty uncommon). As such the grips would have to be those made specifically for the 150- prefix s/n's. Grips can be found on eBay, Numrich Arms and other places.

Two, that serial number WAS NOT put on by Ruger, the Ruger s/n would be smaller, deeper and very much aligned correctly because it is done by roll stamp machine.

It does appear as that part of the frame has had something done to it.

That begs the question, what is the complete background story behind this gun? If it was legally restamped, there should be paperwork that needs to stay with the gun.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:25 pm 
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sceva wrote:
Security Six's began shipping about 1972, Stainless ones came out in 1975

There is no "Pre-dating a prefix on these"

Once again a reminder; Removed, obliterated or altered serial Numbers are illegal UNLESS authorized by the BATF and you have the documentation. If this is a bogus serial number and it sure seems that way, run away as it can't be made right after the fact.


Interesting re DOM for the stainless. This is definitely a low back. Correct me if I'm wrong - low backs (150 & early 151 series) were made 1972 to 1975. The first stainless ones came out in 1975. That means a stainless low back would have to be a 151 series, correct? And if so, a stainless 151 low back would be uncommon?

Attached is a link to GB with photos added:

https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion ... ies#latest

Not to go all "Antiques Roadshow" and setting aside the not insignificant legal complications (if they exist) but is it possible the OP has something very early or unusual?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:02 pm 
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Yes, very early (for stainless .... not for the Six Series) and a little unusual.

But the s/n KILLS it unless paperwork accompanies it to ensure it's legal.

Maybe you should PM Chet15 to see what his thoughts are.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:53 pm 
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Yes, very early (for stainless .... not for the Six Series) and a little unusual.

But the s/n KILLS it unless paperwork accompanies it to ensure it's legal.

Maybe you should PM Chet15 to see what his thoughts are.


Thanks, did so.

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