RugerForum.com

This is a Ruger Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. of Southport, CT.
It is currently Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:36 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 am 
Bearcat

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 94
Location: Indiana
Is one preferred over the other? I see the 45 ACP/45 Colt is cut for moon clips, therefore is seems to me that the 45 Colt case rims will not sit flush against the cylinder where the chambers are cut out for the clips. Any problems with that? And why can't I use the forum search function at this time? Thanks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:02 am 
Single-Sixer

Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:25 pm
Posts: 145
Location: Nebraska
Hi with the convertible. Great gun.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:38 am 
Bearcat

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 94
Location: Indiana
Thanks for the reply.

Finally got the search function to work. Apparently another difference between the 2 revolvers is the newer one has a sleeved barrel, which is in itself a point of controversy with some people.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:09 am 
Blackhawk

Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:10 am
Posts: 707
Location: Yrisarri, NM- high in the Manzanos
The 45LC/45ACP Redhawk convertible, model number 5032, does not have a sleeved barrel. There have been plenty of gently used ones floating around. To my knowledge, all current production Redhawks have sleeved barrels, but the model numbers were updated to reflect this (new model number for 45 conv RH is 5050).

_________________
"Never lie to your metallurgist"- TWT


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:26 am 
Bearcat

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 94
Location: Indiana
NikA wrote:
The 45LC/45ACP Redhawk convertible, model number 5032, does not have a sleeved barrel. There have been plenty of gently used ones floating around. To my knowledge, all current production Redhawks have sleeved barrels, but the model numbers were updated to reflect this (new model number for 45 conv RH is 5050).


Thanks for the info. I went to Gunbroker and there are both models listed and I did find one 5032 with pics of the actual gun instead of a stock pic, and I can see the difference between that one and the newer 5050. Some of them list the 5032, but the stock pic is obviously the 5050. Probably taken from the Ruger website.

So if I decide to buy one of the 45 ACP/45 Colt models, now I would have to choose between sleeved or non-sleeved. It was easier when there was only one choice. So much to think about....


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:54 pm 
Single-Sixer

Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:21 am
Posts: 215
Location: New Mexico
I have an early .45 Colt/.45 ACP Redhawk, after having returned it to Ruger (twice) and receiving a new gun the 2nd time, I must say it functions perfectly (now). I will also say that beyond about 15 yards ACP ammo seems to lack the accuracy of the Colt ammo. But, I bought it because I have both types of ammo to shoot, and I enjoy shooting them. It serves my purposes well.

As to the sleeve; IMHO, sleeved (what I believe is more properly called "shrouded" rather than "sleeved") vs. "normal" is only important if you prefer one over the other. My main personal problem with the shrouded barrels is that it reduces Ruger's production cost, but they have increased the price. I don't believe that performance is affected much one way or the other. My preference would be for the least expensive version. If you prefer the older style, get it. If you prefer the newer version, get that. And if you prefer the least expensive one you can find, get that! Mine is not for sale.

Performance-wise, I haven't seen any evidence there is any difference.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:21 pm 
Ruger Guru

Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:01 am
Posts: 35225
Location: Lake Lure NC USA
I thought I'd posted here earlier,, but apparently it got lost in the web outer space.

I have a Redhawk in 45 Colt/acp. The Colt cases fit fine,, and flush,, no problem.

_________________
Shoot straight and safe!

" A fine is a tax for doing wrong,
and a tax is a fine for doing
right! "
NRA Instructor
USPSA shooter
SASS shooter (Outlaw Joe Wales)
NRA Women On Target Instructor
NC Hunter Safety Instructor
Nuisance Wildlife Control
Scuba Instructor
Eagle Scout, BSA


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:09 pm 
Bearcat

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 94
Location: Indiana
contender wrote:
I thought I'd posted here earlier,, but apparently it got lost in the web outer space.

I have a Redhawk in 45 Colt/acp. The Colt cases fit fine,, and flush,, no problem.


Thats's one thing I wanted to know. Have never seen one, just photos, I did not know. Thanks to everyone for the information.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:35 pm 
Hunter

Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:11 pm
Posts: 3258
Location: Ridgefield WA
The.45 Colt cases fit flush with the case rim against the cylinder face. The moon clips are thinner than the old Colt style clips. And do not interchange with any old style clips. But the Ruger clips don’t require any special tools to load and unload. They are more expensive though. I only have a dozen of the clips for mine.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:37 am 
Blackhawk

Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:32 am
Posts: 955
Two major challenges: 1) need for a mechanical aid to headspace .45 ACP in .45 Colt chamber, and then to extract, and 2) how to keep .45 ACP bullet on axis between case and chamber exit hole.

A separate .45 ACP cylinder, headspacing on the mouth, should put ACP accuracy on par with Colt accuracy.
David Bradshaw


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:56 am 
Blackhawk

Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:32 am
Posts: 955
"As to the sleeve; IMHO, sleeved (what I believe is more properly called "shrouded" rather than "sleeved") vs. "normal" is only important if you prefer one over the other.”
----BPGuy

*****

Dan Wesson called his removable and adjustable barrel system a barrel with shroud. In general, the sleeve of a sleeved barrel is not removable, leastwise not at home. Competition in Handgun Silhouette proves a very high degree of revolver accuracy from standard barrel-to-frame mount, and by Dan Wesson’s shroud system. In theory a sleeved barrel should be just as accurate, providing the orchestra of dimensions is correct.
David Bradshaw


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:22 pm 
Single-Sixer

Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:21 am
Posts: 215
Location: New Mexico
David, your definition/explanation does make sense (removable = shroud, non-removable = sleeved). I have previously only heard of "sleeved" barrels as those on shotguns, where the original barrels were unusable for whatever reason and replacement barrels "sleeved" onto the original receiver. In other words, sleeved = replacement barrels, which are not removable either. I will have to keep this in mind. Thanks for your clarification.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:45 am 
Single-Sixer

Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:01 am
Posts: 148
Location: Texas USA
I see where Ranch Products offers full moon clips for the Ruger. Do they fit or, are they too thick? I seem to recall that someone said they are too thick to function in the Ruger.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group