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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:11 am 
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I was wondering about that myself. I just don't see a lot of the intent to attack, in this symbol. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:27 am 
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smith1961 wrote:
,CraigC dropping by to talk about how few people will by a .41 in 5,4,3,2.1...... :lol:

As I said in the PM, it's not an indictment against the cartridge or its fans. It's a statement of fact that few people buy .41's. Which is cool, because I prefer the odd and unpopular. I just don't happen to have a .41 just yet. Don't confuse marketing with enthusiasm for the cartridge.

That said, I have no desire to touch off a full steam .41Mag cartridge in any sixgun that is not a Bisley. I have a 5½" mid-frame .44Spl Bisley and it is one ounce lighter than a 4 5/8" .44Mag. So to me, if it's gonna be that heavy, it might as well be a large frame. On the mid-frame, I'd much rather see Ruger legitimize the .41Spl. Where 215's@1200fps is possible but 900-1000fps is the norm. Even then, I think it's best in the Old Model due to the lighter weight. I have a severe soft spot for the .41Spl, even though I do not yet own one, because of Taffin's article on the first Bowen custom Colt SAA's, one being a 5½" .41Spl. I'll eventually have one but it will be an Old Model. My next custom Old Model will be either a 4" .45ACP or a 7½" .38-40/.401PowerMag convertible. Which will basically be treated like a .41Spl.

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:30 am 
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smith1961 wrote:
hutchman wrote:
smith1961 wrote:
,CraigC dropping by to talk about how few people will by a .41 in 5,4,3,2.1...... :lol:


Why is this kind of crap necessary. This is a totally uncalled for and against the rules of this forum, personal attack on another member. This kind of crap has to stop here.......

And FWIW, the 41 mag Flattop is on the large frame.


Whoa buddy! I guess you missed the laughing smilie! So much for a humorous attempt to highlight a fellow members' opinion regarding low sales figure for anything .41 magnum. My humblest apologies to you sir....Perhaps you may lobby a moderator to ban me?


It is tough to read voice inflections from internet typing...even with smilies. There is just too much of this personal attack crap going on these days though. If I was wrong, then I appologize.

But just so you know, I am not your "buddy" and never will be. And there is no smilie attached.......

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:35 am 
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gmartinnc wrote:
If I still had the gun, I would do some measuring, but it was for sure, a 3 digit prefix flattop.

You'd find out that the 50th anniversary .44Mag Blackhawk was a large frame, not a medium. Can't speak for yours but mine is a two digit prefix and will be going off to become a 5-shot Bisley .500JRH.

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Terry T wrote:
Dropped by a local shop this afternoon - very clean S&W model 58 still there - been there for a couple of months now. A bit pricy but still .... nice piece, if a bit heavy for 'carry'. Not all THAT big. :D
Point is...folks aren't scrambling to buy it.
Terry T


What are they asking for that beast Terry? :?:


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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:30 pm 
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CraigC wrote:
gmartinnc wrote:
If I still had the gun, I would do some measuring, but it was for sure, a 3 digit prefix flattop.

You'd find out that the 50th anniversary .44Mag Blackhawk was a large frame, not a medium. Can't speak for yours but mine is a two digit prefix and will be going off to become a 5-shot Bisley .500JRH.

If I still had the gun, I would post a photo of the serial number. As it stands, the best I can do is to give you a close up cropped from the above photo. As you can see, it had a three digit prefix in the serial number on the envelope the fired case came in, plus you can see in the photo. it was a flattop. This was the 50th anniversary of the 44 mag, not the 50th anniversary of the Blackhawk. That was a different gun.

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Two digits or three, there is NO such thing as a factory NM midframe .44 Mag. They're all large cylinder/frame.


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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:50 pm 
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gmartinnc wrote:
This was the 50th anniversary of the 44 mag, not the 50th anniversary of the Blackhawk. That was a different gun.

I'm going to be as civil as I can but you don't know what you're talking about. It was the 50th anniversary of the Blackhawk .44Mag, which debuted in 1956. It was a flat-top and it was a LARGE frame, as was the anniversary model. The anniversary model is nothing more than a Super Blackhawk with the flat top strap, Micro rear sight and steel XR3 grip frame.

Not to be confused with the Super Blackhawk which debuted in 1959 and had its 50th anniversary in 2009.

As gak posted, there is no such thing as a factory mid-frame .44Mag Blackhawk, aside from the handful of prototypes made before they decided to go to the larger frame. Regardless of the serial number prefix.

Two digit prefix:
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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:16 pm 
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Here you go. 3 screw flat tops medium frame. Top is a .41 mag, bottom .357

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:38 pm 
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"Smith1961",
$995, if I remember. Nice clean piece, no box. I think it's more of an $800 gun and a bit lower on my 'want' list than some other (Ruger) thingys. :shock:
(Kind of getting to that stage of life too, where whopping hard hitting magnums aren't as much fun. 8) )

It IS in Ca. and is one of those that can no longer be brought in from out of state. I've often seen a $100 premium for a desirable, in-state piece. :oops:
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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:33 pm 
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I don't claim to know much about Rugers, but what I do know, was learned right here on this forum. I thought the "rule" everyone had decided on was, a 3 digit prefix meant a medium frame and a 2 digit meant a large frame. My gun was for sure a 3 digit prefix 44 magnum, and the photos prove it. BTW, it was a steel XR3
gripframe and it was built in 06. I thought perhaps I had something to ad to this thread, or I would not have posted. Guess I was wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:47 pm 
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Get the ole mic out, hell a caliper or wood ruler will show one the difference not to mention the trained eye.

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:41 pm 
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I don't know what has been said here about serial prefixes but regardless, all 50th anniversary .44 Blackhawks were built on the large frame. Absolutely, positively, without question.

From the Ruger site:

89-00501 and 870-00001...........2006
870-13259.............................2007
870-15247.............................2008

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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:57 pm 
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CraigC wrote:
I don't know what has been said here about serial prefixes but regardless, all 50th anniversary .44 Blackhawks were built on the large frame. Absolutely, positively, without question.

From the Ruger site:

89-00501 and 870-00001...........2006
870-13259.............................2007
870-15247.............................2008


I'll take that to the bank! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: mediun frame 41 Mg.?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:41 pm 
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I bought the gun thinking something capable of that kind of pressure built on the medium frame was odd, but still believed the 3 digit thing. Never did compare any measurements against a SBH or my 44 flattop, just believed what I had read and never questioned it, until now. I shot the gun some and it really didn't do much for me, I'm not that crazy about a 6 1/2" barrel anyway. Another opportunity presented it's self and I needed to free up some cash, so I moved it on. I guess the real "rule" with Ruger is, there is no rule.
Sorry for the confusion. :?


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