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Yeah, I remember that stuff. It's the ammo that beat those early Colt Delta Elites to death way prematurely. The velocities and pressures were up there with full power .41 Magnums and the guns wouldn't take it.martyj said:
357 Sig
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Yawn said:
10 mm is just a hot .40. Or .40 is just a weak 10mm. My impressions were that the 10mm G20 was like a 357 magnum 9mm auto .... No big deal ... No reason to have it ... Which is why I sold it shortly after acquiring it. Great gun ... Just not interesting or accurate enough for my tastes.
IMO ... .40, 10 mm, 357sig, 327 Ruger, federal blah blah blah .... etc etc. don't do a damn thing better than 9mm, 357 mag, and 45 acp. If you just want a new caliber ... Fine, but there's nothing special about them.
Why not just stick with 357 mag or 9mm ?
REV
I don't have a 357 mag... I have shot it and shot it well. I would like a semi equivalent to the 357mag, for the trail, with the same power but also same soft shot. Outside of that, I couldn't agree more with you for normal everyday use.
Ps... Was looking at other rounds the other day and now that I carry .45, I can't believe how small these other rounds look. Just an anecdotal side note.
Ps... Was looking at other rounds the other day and now that I carry .45, I can't believe how small these other rounds look. Just an anecdotal side note.
Yawn said:
Yawn,
As others here have mentioned, you shouldn't rule out a 10mm.
If you are able to handle a .357mag you can probably handle a 10mm.
10mm loads available range from 40S&W power on up to almost 41mag. To put it in terms of energy you are looking at 400ft-lbs up to 750ft-lbs and everything in between with factory loads.
I find that the ones that range 500 to 600ft-bs are very manageable.
Or if you want to really get silly you can get an extended 6in+ Lone Wolf barrel and run 155gr bullets at 1600ft/s +. I had some running at a Chrono-verified 1650ft/s which works out to 936ft-lbs energy. And that load was 2-tenths of a grain under a Max book load.
Now, if you are recoil sensitive you will probably not like that load. It does have some wallop to it. But I bet you could handle that same bullet at 1300 - 1400ft/s which is nothing to sneeze at.
The Glock 20 (and the new 40) both are relatively big, heavy autoloaders and because of that they handle recoil very well. A G20 pushing 500ft-lbs of 180gr 10mm goodness kicks less (to me) than a S&W M&P40 throwing the same bullet at lower velocity for ~400ft-lbs. And it's all down to weight (the G20 weighs more), the recoil spring (the G20 has a heavier) and grip shape (the G20 is wider, more surface area).
So you want a woodsy autoloader that won't beat you up but can take care of business - Get a Glock 20
Plus you can get a 40S&W barrel for it and use that for cheap target practice. Barrels from Lone Wolf run about 100$ (I have three for mine)
Full disclosure: Just in case you didnt catch on - I am a Glock 10mm fanboy.
David Bradshaw
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Yawn.... as you ask for opinions on the .357 SIG as a cartridge to walk around with, I'll try to avoid mention of other rounds. Which isn't easy, as demonstrated by earlier responders. All cartridges have parents and ancestors; and for performing tasks most have competition .
Soon after SIG/Sauer of America released the necked-down .40 S&W, a couple of LEOs asked for my take. Having no experience with the round, I shrugged it off. Immediately upon having a SIG P229 in my hands and shooting it, I commented an appreciation for its accuracy and low recoil. Trying at the time a spectrum of factory loads, only one came up short. Hornady 147 JHP produced rather miserable accuracy. I suspect the long 147 grain bullet doesn't like the very short neck of .357 SIG case.
Federal 125 JHP produced superb accuracy, to the tune of 5x5 into 6-inches @ 100 yards from the stock 3.8" barrel of the P229 with Trijicon sights. Other rounds groups close to the Federal, including Hornady 125 JHP. No surprise to me, FMJ bullets were not quite as tight. Cor-Bon 115 and 125 grain JHP produced higher velocity, with diminished accuracy. Nevertheless, it was possible to keep all shots on a man silhouette @ 100 yards.
Took the P229 and Federal .357 SIG 125 JHP to an IHMSA silhouette championship in New Hampshire, having never shot a chicken, pig, turkey, or ram with the little pistol. Shooting Creedmoor, the stinking 3.8-inch barrel and fixed sights toppled 7x10 turkeys at 165 yards! Prior to that, I hadn't fired a round at over 100 yards. 5x10 or 6x10 rams bit the dust @ 220 yards.
The .357 SIG seems perfectly scaled to a .40 S&W-length frame, slide, and magazine. A SIG .40 S&W barrel drops right in. Same gun, same recoil spring, same magazine, same perfect reliability. (.40 JHP groups of five shots average around 9" @ 100 yards, with more drop.) I consider the P229 .357/.40 and 2-in-one gun.
The .357 SIG is less interesting from a sub-compact Glock 33 or 27 where, in comparison with the .40 S&W, recoil of the .357 is rather nasty. The P229 tames the .357 SIG, and does so with a far less blast than a .357 Mag.
David Bradshaw
Soon after SIG/Sauer of America released the necked-down .40 S&W, a couple of LEOs asked for my take. Having no experience with the round, I shrugged it off. Immediately upon having a SIG P229 in my hands and shooting it, I commented an appreciation for its accuracy and low recoil. Trying at the time a spectrum of factory loads, only one came up short. Hornady 147 JHP produced rather miserable accuracy. I suspect the long 147 grain bullet doesn't like the very short neck of .357 SIG case.
Federal 125 JHP produced superb accuracy, to the tune of 5x5 into 6-inches @ 100 yards from the stock 3.8" barrel of the P229 with Trijicon sights. Other rounds groups close to the Federal, including Hornady 125 JHP. No surprise to me, FMJ bullets were not quite as tight. Cor-Bon 115 and 125 grain JHP produced higher velocity, with diminished accuracy. Nevertheless, it was possible to keep all shots on a man silhouette @ 100 yards.
Took the P229 and Federal .357 SIG 125 JHP to an IHMSA silhouette championship in New Hampshire, having never shot a chicken, pig, turkey, or ram with the little pistol. Shooting Creedmoor, the stinking 3.8-inch barrel and fixed sights toppled 7x10 turkeys at 165 yards! Prior to that, I hadn't fired a round at over 100 yards. 5x10 or 6x10 rams bit the dust @ 220 yards.
The .357 SIG seems perfectly scaled to a .40 S&W-length frame, slide, and magazine. A SIG .40 S&W barrel drops right in. Same gun, same recoil spring, same magazine, same perfect reliability. (.40 JHP groups of five shots average around 9" @ 100 yards, with more drop.) I consider the P229 .357/.40 and 2-in-one gun.
The .357 SIG is less interesting from a sub-compact Glock 33 or 27 where, in comparison with the .40 S&W, recoil of the .357 is rather nasty. The P229 tames the .357 SIG, and does so with a far less blast than a .357 Mag.
David Bradshaw
