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WIL TERRY
Buckeye
You mean both in-front-of and from behind it Eddie ?
And so it goes...
And so it goes...
rammerjammer
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There is no SAAMI specification for 9mm +p+ so no manufacturer will give the thumbs up for using it in their guns for liability issues.
22/45 Fan
Hunter
+P ammunition has a SAAMI specification and definition and manufactures either approve or disapprove of it's use in their firearms since they know what it is. +P+ has no SAAMI definition and it can be anything the manufactures wants to sell. Therefore no firearm maker will sanction it's use since they have no idea what it's pressure might be.
Frankly, even +P is going to be pretty uncomfortable to shoot in an LC9S and +P+ might be damaging.
Frankly, even +P is going to be pretty uncomfortable to shoot in an LC9S and +P+ might be damaging.
From all the data I've seen ... From a reloading point of view ... +P is simply roughly 10% over pressure from a standard SAAMI load for that caliber ... In other words ... If a standard pressure for a given caliber is 30,000 CUP ... A +P round would be 33,000.
+P+ is not even a SAAMI recognized spec ... Therefore it can be anything ... Which is really stupid. No manufacturer that I know of will approve that, because it could be anything.
10% over pressure is virtually nothing ... really means nothing ... And is simply a way for companies like Buffalo Bore to sell 20 cent 9mm rounds of ammo in boxes of 20 (instead of 50) for $1.50 each.
REV
+P+ is not even a SAAMI recognized spec ... Therefore it can be anything ... Which is really stupid. No manufacturer that I know of will approve that, because it could be anything.
10% over pressure is virtually nothing ... really means nothing ... And is simply a way for companies like Buffalo Bore to sell 20 cent 9mm rounds of ammo in boxes of 20 (instead of 50) for $1.50 each.
REV
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
Couldn't have described that better! Thanks Lee
5of7
Hunter
When I got mine, I read the book on it and they don't recommend +P ammo in the LC9s, so I would assume that rules out any +P+ ammo too.... 8)
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
From the SR9 user manual:
22/45 Fan
Hunter
+100 This means +P ammo is ok since it meets all of the listed standards but +P+ is a complete unknown. Note this approval does not specify the LC series guns, only the SR series.GunnyGene said:
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
22/45 Fan said:
Correct, but I'm pretty sure you'll find a similar statement in the LC series manual. I don't own an LC and didn't bother to download a manual for one.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
5of7 said:
I downloaded the manual, and there is a very strong warning against using +P+ in the LC9s. Here's the quote:
noahmercy
Blackhawk
As another point, if one examines the ACTUAL velocities of "+P+" ammunition, it is generally the same or sometimes lower than +P ammunition. The "+P+" designation was originally used by Federal to designate +P ammo intended for use by law enforcement, and some other manufacturers have latched onto it as a way to create the impression that they are offering some whiz-bang super lethal round. In reality, it is a marketing gimmick, and I don't buy ammo from companies who use gimmicks as a way to sell products, nor any cartridge manufacturer who is irresponsible enough to actually load ammo to pressure levels exceeding what firearms are manufactured to withstand.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
.38 Special +P+ loads were created to give near .357 performance in .38 Special revolvers. I've never heard anybody say they were superior to the .38 +P 158 grain LSWC but they did produce alot of stretched frames and gas cutting. They were usually loaded with flimsy, lightweight bullets like the 110 grain SJHP.
