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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:23 pm 
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my new ruger vaquero cylinder is frozen in the frame after one shot.and apparently off center as i cant reinsert the long rod that holds it in place. please tell me what to do. thanks in advance. xskinman


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:29 pm 
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Try rotating the cylinder clockwise ,as seen from the rear, as you drop it into the frame while eyeballing it for alignment. Also make sure that the loading gate spring has not slipped out of it's place in the loading gate.if that happens it jams things up good.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:58 pm 
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the cylinder is off center to the left and has 5 live self loaded shells that i am afraid were not sized correctly with the lee original loader. unable to rotate the cylinder or cock the hammer.can i remove the 5 screws without fixing the mainspring and get some clearance to remove the cylinder?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:12 pm 
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Why did you remove the base pin to begin with ?
Removing the grip frame and internals would get the pawl and cylinder latch out of the way BUT how are you going to capture The main spring if you can't cock the hammer ?I am sure it can be done but I have never tried it myself. Good luck !


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:43 am 
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being a novice, unable to move the hammer back and rotate the cylinder i thought removing the base pin would allow me to remove the cylinder and remove the remaining cartridges.unless there is a solution here,guess i will take it to a gunsmith. thanks for answering my post.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:11 am 
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If you remove the grip frame screws the main spring will shove the grip frame rearward until it is stoped by the trigger. It will be all bound up.
I believe it would be a mess. I thinkI would take a Dremel cutoff wheel and cut the mainspring in half in the middle, wind the two halves together to take the tension off. Mainsprings are easy to come by, I have several and will give you one. Once it's apart , the problem should be apparent.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:29 pm 
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after cutting the spring, would i remove the 5 screws and see if i could remove the cylinder after it came apart?or do i have to further remove the trigger and hammer.as you can tell i am totally new to this having only looked at a couple of youtubes about disassembling.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:39 pm 
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Well , after removing the grip frame/trigger guard, you will be able to get the pawl and cylinder latch out of the way of the cylinder and eliminate those two from being part of the problem. A soft mallet may need to be used to convince the cylinder to move to the right if the problem is caused by a long brass case or a primer that is not seated all the way. The recoil face at the back of the frame is often slightly higher than the rest of the surface of the frame in that area and can stop cylinder rotation if a high primer or out of spec case comes up against that area. A bright light may show that this is the problem. You might want to get a case gage to check loaded ammo.
Every round I load for handgun and .223 gets checked in a case gage before being considered finished. This takes a little time but there is never an issue when shooting. A hang up can cost you game or a match.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:37 pm 
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thanks Hunter for your help.i didnt feel adequate to do this so i called Ruger. they suggested i tap gently,which i had not done and finally i was able to get the cylinder out. there must be something wrong with the cylinder or frame as i can barely get it back in and out,but at least i got the ammo out.i bit the bullet and sent it to Ruger today.at $120 just for overnight i can see why home repair is the way to go.have you ever heard of this? this was a gun show buy of a 2006 pristine 357 which i had shot 150 38's thru without problem.this is going to be an expensive ruger .my only 2,the other being a mark 4 22 cal. now both have been back home.think i will stick to S&W's


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:43 pm 
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Don't cut spring! I have changed main springs with strong hand pressure to re-assemble. press hammer strut down thru seat and pin. Just remove 5 grip screws. It is not under tension with hammer down, much anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:14 pm 
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Ruger will take care of you. They rarely give an explanation of what they find wrong though.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:22 pm 
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Ruger should send you a manual. It will show how to capture the main spring for removal. Sound like your ammo is to long for cyl.
Eric


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:46 am 
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What made the cylinder bind up to begin with? Primers not seated deep enough or the c.o.l. to long?
Because if the cases weren’t resized correctly they wouldn’t have fit in the cylinder from the get go.
Sometimes the cylinders are finicky getting them back in, a little wiggling usually works. I bet Ruger won’t find anything wrong with it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:23 am 
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Primer not seated fully? I apply anti-sieze on ratchet, oil on front of cylinder. Common on a new Blackhawk.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:50 am 
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Yes if he didn’t fully seat the primers they would hit the back of the frame.
What’s common, cylinders on new Blackhawks locking up?
Because I’ve never heard of it.
I would still like to know the initial cause of it locking up. Because I’m pretty sure lack of oil or grease wasn’t the culprit.


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