Ban "Velocity" ammo

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GunnyGene

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Sounds pretty stupid, right? Well it is. It's part of some Student Activist "Bill of Rights". More aptly called the "Students Bill of Terminal Stupidity". :roll: But it's bound to find it's way into the Socialist agenda. :roll:

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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/10/staff-writer/student-activists-want-to-ban-velocity-rounds-among-other-nonsense/

10. Require all gun dealers, sellers and owners to report stolen guns; prohibit the sale under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of semi-automatic military style weapons that fire velocity rounds, bump stocks and other accessories that alter the original firing capacity of a firearm.
 

grobin

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Ignorant legislators get pushed into the Bloomberg ban guns agenda. Ban them by making them increasingly harder to get and use not directly. Maybe the Supremes will see through these ploys and declare them all violations of the 2nd amendment. Cals impossible ammo law, the stupid Seattle ban and storage requirements, the useless magazine limits....

Afghanistan recently had a school shooting with 16+ fatalities from a regular shotgun. Bump stocks are a pretty useless novelty just like the explosive ammo use to shoot Regan and Brady. If Hinkley had used regular 22 LR most likely he would have killed them both.
 
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I'd like to send a test questionnaire to every candidate on my local election ballot. I'd ask them some general knowledge questions and some specific firearms questions just to see if they knew the answers or had enough interest to look those answers up.
Right now , most of them only know how to smile, lie, and shake hands.
 

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Mo, you don't think you'd get a straight answer, do you? A politician is a politician is a politician. They will say just about anything they think will get them elected and if elected, do what fills their pocket fastest. Even with small town politics, the scenario is the same; "I'm gonna..." to get elected, and "Let's form a committee..." and "that will take a lot of time and money..." when in office...
 

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Election time. Time to start the panic buying and hoarding again.

...or realize that there has always been a gun and ammo industry in the US.
 

Rick Courtright

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Jimbo357mag said:
...or realize that there has always been a gun and ammo industry in the US.

Hi,

Yes, so far there has. However, as an observer of things in general and things in CA in particular, I can't say I'm Little Miss Merry Sunshine about the prospects of being able to still say that (at least in a civilian sense) in 50 or 100 years. I'll be gone, but there are many kids and grandkids associated with Forum members here who will see a lot of these changes...

Rick C
 
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What the hell is "Velocity Ammunition"?
It's La-La land terminology for anything that goes BANG.

"Mo, you don't think you'd get a straight answer, do you? A politician is a politician is a politician."
No, I don't expect to get anything but a spiel about how great their term in whatever seat they're running for will be.
During the rain/wind/flood event we had 2 weeks past, a large tree fell across the county road a mile west of my place. I happened to be driving past the business of a County Commissioner who happens to be running for State Representative so I stopped to inform him of the need to get the county road crew out to clear the downed tree as soon as the flood waters receded. "Yes sir, I'll get that taken care of right away". Didn't happen. Another local farmer who needed to use this road to access his livestock cut the tree top back far enough to drive past and the road crew hasn't been here to move the rest. If this is the results we get when making FTF contact, how poor will the results be when the guy is 150 miles away in the State House?
 

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Rick Courtright said:
Jimbo357mag said:
...or realize that there has always been a gun and ammo industry in the US.

Hi,

Yes, so far there has. However, as an observer of things in general and things in CA in particular, I can't say I'm Little Miss Merry Sunshine about the prospects of being able to still say that (at least in a civilian sense) in 50 or 100 years. I'll be gone, but there are many kids and grandkids associated with Forum members here who will see a lot of these changes...

Rick C
There may be changes coming, there are always changes, but I don't think the firearms and ammo industries are going to disappear from this country. I think the fear mongering is a little overdone. But then there is a lot of that on both sides. JMHO
 

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I look at the lead supply in the US as an indication of what can happen to the firearms and associated industries. I think the last last smelting company in the US closed a couple years ago. Not just the "gun scare" but the "green scare" also (no lead/acid batteries are manufactured in CA anymore. Environmentalists made sure of that). And how many powder manufacturers operate in the US? (can't get a good answer on google). That industry will become a target for the "save the earth" crowd and helped along by the anti-gun folks...
 

Flyover_Country

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Tom W said:
What the hell is "Velocity Ammunition"?

They probably meant "high-velocity" ammunition, but regardless they have no clue what they are talking about. A round of buckshot out of a 12 gauge traveling at a sedate 1200 fps is far more lethal in a close-range mass shooting event (the ones they are purporting to try to prevent) than a FMJ .223 round traveling at 3000 fps.
 

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Flyover_Country said:
Tom W said:
What the hell is "Velocity Ammunition"?

They probably meant "high-velocity" ammunition, but regardless they have no clue what they are talking about. A round of buckshot out of a 12 gauge traveling at a sedate 1200 fps is far more lethal in a close-range mass shooting event (the ones they are purporting to try to prevent) than a FMJ .223 round traveling at 3000 fps.

I'm sure they don't, since math (and physics) are difficult subjects for them. Are those even taught anymore?
 

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GunnyGene said:
I'm sure they don't, since math (and physics) are difficult subjects for them. Are those even taught anymore?

One of my coworkers was talking about this recently as one of her children recently started high school. You can still take math up to introduction to calculus and algebra-based physics in all but the smallest high schools in the area where I currently live. However, the only math that one is required to take in high school in my state in order to graduate are geometry and two total years of algebra, even if you did the first year of it in 8th grade as I did. Physics is not required, neither is trigonometry, statistics, or any kind of calculus class. The second year of algebra is ironically called "college algebra" even though quite a few people take it as high school sophomores, and actual college math starts at Calculus I and goes from there. This is unchanged from when I went through high school two decades ago.

Two things did change. One thing that did change a lot is how math from about 3rd grade to 6th-7th grade is taught due to Common Core. The coworker whose kid just started high school definitely filled me in on that, essentially you do not do multiplication and division, you must break it down into addition and subtraction. For example, 3x5 isn't simply 15 because you memorized it that way from the multiplication tables as I did. It MUST be done as 5+5+5 = 15, but NOT 3+3+3+3+3 = 15, for some strange reason. There were other goofier things as well, such as mandatory use of rounding to the nearest "round" number and then adding/subtracting the difference at the end instead of directly calculating it, as if you were trying to do mental math on large, non-round numbers on paper. If you had the question of 19-7, you couldn't just calculate it out to be 12. You had to round 19 to 20 and then 7 to 10, so you got 10 (20 - 10) as your first answer. You then subtracted 1 because 20 is 1 more than 19 (9) and then added 3 to that (12) because 7 is 3 more than the 10 you subtracted, and 12 was your final answer.

The other thing that changed is that everything in physics and engineering, even 20 years ago and both in high school and college, was taught solely in metric. We didn't deal with fps or ft-lb at all, it was solely m/s and joules. Of course we could look up the corresponding unit definitions and constants in standard units and when we were out of school and working on real problems in the real world, ended up working primarily with standard units rather than metric.
 
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