GD1656
Single-Sixer
Anyone load for a TC in 30 Herrett----can you get factory brass,bullet weights,decent for hunting deer,hogs?? Thanks Paul
30 Herrett ?
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okie44
Single-Sixer
Formed brass available from Eabco, better be sitting down! :mrgreen: If you go with 14", you might as well go with the 30-30. Stick with 125-130 gr, makes a fine hunting round.
Paul,
Thanks for the question, I don't get much chance to talk about my all-time favorite cartridge! I love the .30 Herrett! Eabco advertises brass, but since the Herrett case headspaces on the shoulder instead of the rim, I would not trust their stuff. No way to know whether or not it has proper headspace. They do sell the dies, though. I make cases from .30-30 brass with T/C forming dies, shortened to OAL length then fire-formed to fit the chamber of the barrel. Somewhat of a pain to make, but that is half the fun of shooting this baby. In my Super-14 barrel fitted with a Redfield 4-power scope, under admittedly perfect conditions, using 110gr Remington round-nose bullets over 22gr of Hodgdon H4227, I have shot a 1-1/2 inch group from a rest at 200 yards - once. I have several just over 2" at 200 and that is just about MOA accuracy - from a handgun. I doubt that many .30-30's can do that, let alone in a handgun. Under almost all conditions it is a superbly accurate cartridge but you have to work up your load to find out what your Contender likes best.
If I still hunted, I would not hesitate to use it on deer or hogs. With the right loads it exceeds the parent cartridge performance by a good margin, likely because of using the faster-burning pistol powders.
Love the Herrett!
Bill
Thanks for the question, I don't get much chance to talk about my all-time favorite cartridge! I love the .30 Herrett! Eabco advertises brass, but since the Herrett case headspaces on the shoulder instead of the rim, I would not trust their stuff. No way to know whether or not it has proper headspace. They do sell the dies, though. I make cases from .30-30 brass with T/C forming dies, shortened to OAL length then fire-formed to fit the chamber of the barrel. Somewhat of a pain to make, but that is half the fun of shooting this baby. In my Super-14 barrel fitted with a Redfield 4-power scope, under admittedly perfect conditions, using 110gr Remington round-nose bullets over 22gr of Hodgdon H4227, I have shot a 1-1/2 inch group from a rest at 200 yards - once. I have several just over 2" at 200 and that is just about MOA accuracy - from a handgun. I doubt that many .30-30's can do that, let alone in a handgun. Under almost all conditions it is a superbly accurate cartridge but you have to work up your load to find out what your Contender likes best.
If I still hunted, I would not hesitate to use it on deer or hogs. With the right loads it exceeds the parent cartridge performance by a good margin, likely because of using the faster-burning pistol powders.
Love the Herrett!
Bill
okie44
Single-Sixer
Loaded with RCBS 165 Silh and 130 gr Hornady. Loaded to equal PSI, the Herrett will not outperform the 30-30 in the 14" barrel. Wildcats based on 30-30 case are commonly loaded to 45,000 CUP while the 30-30 is loaded to 38,000 CUP.
jsh
Single-Sixer
A good cartridge no doubt. But the early info was a bit miss leading. Pressures are the answer for sure. One can't argue with cubic inches/case volume.
I made a jig out of two pieces of oak and some wing nuts. Then drilled holes through the joint that would snugly hold the brass when pushed through all the way to the rim. A fine toothed band saw and I could rough trim a dozen at a time. Then anneal, size, trim and chamfer and I was done. Had a file trim die for a long time but it still took a long time to batches of several hundred.
Jeff
I made a jig out of two pieces of oak and some wing nuts. Then drilled holes through the joint that would snugly hold the brass when pushed through all the way to the rim. A fine toothed band saw and I could rough trim a dozen at a time. Then anneal, size, trim and chamfer and I was done. Had a file trim die for a long time but it still took a long time to batches of several hundred.
Jeff
" Loaded to equal PSI, the Herrett will not outperform the 30-30 in the 14" barrel"
Absolutely correct-velocity wise.
There's no free lunch in ballistics-you can't get more velocity w/o more pressure or volume of gas(and in a short barrel, that's not going to help much anyway).
More accuracy? Possibly/probably. A "better" cartridge for a specific firearm design? Yes-less breech face force for similar pressure.
Absolutely correct-velocity wise.
There's no free lunch in ballistics-you can't get more velocity w/o more pressure or volume of gas(and in a short barrel, that's not going to help much anyway).
More accuracy? Possibly/probably. A "better" cartridge for a specific firearm design? Yes-less breech face force for similar pressure.
okie44
Single-Sixer
30-30 brass works fine for me, I'm saving my 375 Win brass for the 375 Winchester. :mrgreen:Chief 101 said:
Respectfully disagree. The Herrett (in my barrel) will out-perform the .30-30 in the only aspect that concerns me - accuracy. After seeing what the Herrett does in that aspect, I sold my .30-30 barrel.okie44 said:
Loaded with RCBS 165 Silh and 130 gr Hornady. Loaded to equal PSI, the Herrett will not outperform the 30-30 in the 14" barrel. Wildcats based on 30-30 case are commonly loaded to 45,000 CUP while the 30-30 is loaded to 38,000 CUP.
Flash
Buckeye
I had the 30 and the 357 Herrett and found no real advantage over the 30-30 or the 35 Remington. It's splitting hairs if you ask me.
jsh
Single-Sixer
RKB said:Respectfully disagree. The Herrett (in my barrel) will out-perform the .30-30 in the only aspect that concerns me - accuracy. After seeing what the Herrett does in that aspect, I sold my .30-30 barrel.okie44 said:
Loaded with RCBS 165 Silh and 130 gr Hornady. Loaded to equal PSI, the Herrett will not outperform the 30-30 in the 14" barrel. Wildcats based on 30-30 case are commonly loaded to 45,000 CUP while the 30-30 is loaded to 38,000 CUP.
I find this quite funny. I did the opposite. Sold the Herrett and kept the 30-30.
One of the other myths that if a pistol length barrel in a rifle caliber you had to use pistol powders.
okie44
Single-Sixer
I have both 357 Herrett and 35 Rem in 14", 30 Herrett in 10", 30-30 14" has been Improved by Ackley. I like them all! :mrgreen:
jsh
Single-Sixer
I would like to have a 357 Herritt to compare along with my 35 Remington rimmed, use 303 or 30-40 brass. A rim is almost a must for me anymore in a TC. Just a personal preference so much easier to handle.
