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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:03 am 
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I just have to let off a bit of steam but can't be too specific about this issue. Anyhoo, part of my promotion involves employee supervision and evaluation. Almost all of what we do is w/o direct supervision so there's the occasional quality control check (by me) to ensure everyone is doing what he/she is paid for.
I've been working on this quality control check project for a week. I told everyone I was doing this and invited each employee to take part so I could ask/answer questions or make suggestions. That was going fairly well up to yesterday. I was down to the final employees and they didn't seem interested in participating so I dug through my resources and located a couple of places where they'd worked and I visited those sites.
WHOA!!! Way bad. The markers that are supposed to locate their work were missing. As luck would have it, I met one of the "clients" who had no idea what I was talking about and stated he had not been contacted nor signed the permit to enter form. Now we have a BIG problem. All the data collected since June for those sites must be assumed bogus and worthless. In addition, I'll have to inspect several more sites to determine just how much false info has been reported. There goes the rest of this week and most of next. I get paid to do the job but there are other things on my list of stuff to do.
This will likely cost those two their jobs and then I have to spend even more time replacing them. GEEZ, I dislike lazy moochers.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:57 am 
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Something I learned, way back when, was 'delegation of authority'. Have one of your subordinates take over some of your 'less involved' requirements and free you up to complete the 'screwed up' mess.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:29 am 
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One good thing about being the boss is you can fire the bums and give them a bad reference if other prospective employers call for your input on their performance.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:38 am 
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My Dad taught me long ago,,, "Son, you can't be the boss & a friend at the same time when money is involved."
A customer/client is paying for work, and an employee is getting a paycheck.
Being the boss means you have to make sure the customer/client is getting what they pay for. And if an employee is failing to do the job,, then they need a different source of income.

As noted,, the worst thing is fixing the screw-ups they created.
In most jobs,, it just means more labor, training, replacement of stuff, overtime, & in general,, a PIA. But in critical jobs,, people lose their lives over slacker types. If a person can't be trusted to do a correct job when it's not critical,, then that same person can't really be trusted to do anything where lives can be affected.

Fire the bums,, and work hard at making the customer happy. Not always easy,, but the best recourse.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:43 am 
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I was appointed a Federal supervisor over about six biologists. I called HR to see if I had to take it. They told me I did. I got Fully Satisfactory reviews and one Superior for 6 years. Then a chance came to step down due to budget cutbacks. I was never happier! Agree with all of the above!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:44 am 
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RonT wrote:
One good thing about being the boss is you can fire the bums and give them a bad reference if other prospective employers call for your input on their performance.


Do that and you WILL be sued!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:59 am 
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BearBio wrote:
RonT wrote:
One good thing about being the boss is you can fire the bums and give them a bad reference if other prospective employers call for your input on their performance.


Do that and you WILL be sued!

Not if you can prove what you say. Documentation is the answer to all 'personnel' problems.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:49 am 
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Mobuck wrote:

part of my promotion involves employee supervision and evaluation.



AKA: adult daycare...……. (BT, DT - NTS) . :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:00 am 
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Times have changed. The only reference you can normally share about a departed employee is, yes, he worked here. HR departments are bound by many legal reasons to not overstep this. Yep, they can be honest and say he was a bum, but the legal costs of proving such a statement can be so overwhelming, companies don't want to take that chance.

Management can be a very tough job. Folks aspire to move up to management, but then profess how much they now hate managing.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:09 am 
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I worked here 20 years, then bought it 18 years ago.

Pretty close to selling it now. Couldn't be happier.

Not being "in charge" will be a welcome relief.

Supervising people (especially the opposite sex) can be a mine field.

You need to know what they (employees) can legally get away with; come to terms with that and accept it or get out.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:19 am 
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hittman wrote:

Supervising people (especially the opposite sex) can be a mine field.


It got so bad at work, if I was in a department with mixed company, I said nothing other than what was directly related to my task. Then I was warned even that could be construed as sexist.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:12 pm 
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BearBio wrote:
RonT wrote:
One good thing about being the boss is you can fire the bums and give them a bad reference if other prospective employers call for your input on their performance.


Do that and you WILL be sued!

BearBio if correct. In the 80's I worked in the HR dept. of what is now a Fortune 500 company. Big meeting: We were no longer to give bad references for those whose employment was terminated. We could only give the dates they worked there, no more!

There was a case where an employee was terminated at some company and was given bad references by his former employer. He sued over his not being able to find new employment because of the bad references. He won!

I owned 2 businesses after leaving that company. I only gave their dates of employment. There was a question I'd be asked or I would ask after I was only given a prospective employees dates of employment. Is this former employee eligible for re-hire? The answer said a lot.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:10 pm 
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Was offered supervision once & refused! Asked why I didn't want it, I responded that I liked my freedom 16 hrs every day & not be married to the job! Never regretted it....

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:16 pm 
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RUFFBIRD wrote:
Was offered supervision once & refused! Asked why I didn't want it, I responded that I liked my freedom 16 hrs every day & not be married to the job! Never regretted it....


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:33 pm 
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The only way I can fire someone is to build a watertight case and send it to Washington DC. But I do feel this is a real possibility given the level of lying and cheating involved.

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