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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:02 pm 
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Actually this was in 1945 but I had never heard of this. I saw a program on TV about it today.

It was a B25 and it flew into the building in a fog. Fourteen people were killed. Can you imagine the look on that pilot's face when all of a sudden, he saw that building directly in front of him?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/plane-crashes-into-empire-state-building

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLWh8Rbp7o

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:08 pm 
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I heard that story in my youth (born 1949). We lived north of NYC at the time.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:09 am 
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You would think that any pilot flying around NYC in the fog would know to get his plane higher than the tallest building. After all they did have altimeters at that time.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:43 pm 
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Rook wrote:
You would think that any pilot flying around NYC in the fog would know to get his plane higher than the tallest building. After all they did have altimeters at that time.


My thoughts too but maybe in all the fog, he really didn't know where he was.

No GPS in those days either.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:59 pm 
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caryc wrote:
Rook wrote:
You would think that any pilot flying around NYC in the fog would know to get his plane higher than the tallest building. After all they did have altimeters at that time.


My thoughts too but maybe in all the fog, he really didn't know where he was.

No GPS in those days either.


Didn't military craft have radar though? Or radio ranging? Still, it was an unfortunate accident. :(

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:01 pm 
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No plane hit that building. King Kong swatted them down!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:22 pm 
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I'll bet I can guess what the pilot's last two words were. "Oh s--t!"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pm 
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caryc wrote:
Rook wrote:
You would think that any pilot flying around NYC in the fog would know to get his plane higher than the tallest building. After all they did have altimeters at that time.


My thoughts too but maybe in all the fog, he really didn't know where he was.

No GPS in those days either.


He THOUGHT he knew where he was. The pilot asked for landing clearance to Newark on a routine personnel transport mission and was told the place was socked in with fog. The pilot continued the approach anyway, became disoriented and plowed into the building trying to find the airport.

It happens, even with highly trained and experienced pilots. My sister in law, an extremely experienced airline pilot, lost her life in 2004 when she flew their Cessna 182 into a mountain in Maine. (Cumulus granite) She thought she was between two peaks on approach to a lake to pick up passengers, but she was about a half mile off her intended course for whatever reason that we will never know.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:20 pm 
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That's why they put all those numbers on cumulogranite and cumulosteel clouds on the charts so you can stay above them.

Too many people get a case of gotta get thereitis and it kills them.
That and too many people let their ego get in the way of decisions.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:25 pm 
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Pilot was probably texting.... :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:03 pm 
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kinda like this...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:14 pm 
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Paul B wrote:
I'll bet I can guess what the pilot's last two words were. "Oh s--t!"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:23 am 
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I remember that very well. There was some family concern at that time as my sister had been on flights on B-25s as an assistant instructor in instrument flying.

Her "claim to fame" was that she once "flew" a B-25.

As a matter of interest, to our family, was that last year, a B-25 came to Memphis from the CAF and was on static display with rides available. My niece, my sister's youngest daughter, took a flight in that B-25.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:46 pm 
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Selena wrote:
Didn't military craft have radar though? Or radio ranging? Still, it was an unfortunate accident. :(


Nope and nope. The first airborne radar units were installed in night fighters. Radio location depended on signals transmitted from specific locations, and was used by both German and Allied bombers (different systems) in Europe.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:34 pm 
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A gal was in the elevator when the prop cut the ropes. The comp ropes under the elevator coiled up below the cab that saved her life I think she only broke her leg.

True story I worked for Otis elevator.

I did a tour of the world trade centers elevators and the floors below ground level. Two years before 9/11. Kind of creepy thinking about it today. I met the Otis staff there. They did change the service contract to another company before 9/11.

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