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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:41 am    Post subject: Restart the draft Reply with quote

I spent seven years in the Navy. There were many months that I never set foot in my home state or any American soil because of the deployment schedule. And yet, I had to pay both state and federal taxes.

My idea is for AZ. to draft every illegal they catch into the military. Think what this would accomplish. The military could teach english, pay very decent military pay, give them health-care and collect taxes. Muster them out after 3 or 4 years with benifits and everyone has a shot at the American Dream.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with the general idea, the use of illegals in the service would make them mercenaries - fighting not for country but for money and to serve out a "jail sentence".

I enlisted in the Army and served in the 60's and early 70's and a majority of fellow GIs were draftees and we had a few GIs who were in the service as an alternative to spending time in the slammer for stautuory rape and other less crimes. Both the Army and the Marines were a shadow of the themselves before Vietnam and the draft. The Marines were drafted since they couldn't fill out their manpower comittment. The services was villified both in and out of the service for a number of years from the around 1966 ot the mid to late 70's. The Navy and Air Force were relatively unscathed during Vietnam. The draft was a major cause of the breakdown. It was a far cry from the professional service today.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dleeharrison wrote:
While I agree with the general idea, the use of illegals in the service would make them mercenaries - fighting not for country but for money and to serve out a "jail sentence".

I enlisted in the Army and served in the 60's and early 70's and a majority of fellow GIs were draftees and we had a few GIs who were in the service as an alternative to spending time in the slammer for stautuory rape and other less crimes. Both the Army and the Marines were a shadow of the themselves before Vietnam and the draft. The Marines were drafted since they couldn't fill out their manpower comittment. The services was villified both in and out of the service for a number of years from the around 1966 ot the mid to late 70's. The Navy and Air Force were relatively unscathed during Vietnam. The draft was a major cause of the breakdown. It was a far cry from the professional service today.


No, I am sorry, this is not what I mean. Make the illegals serve for the country. Train them, work them, and collect taxes from them. Make them serve the country they want to be in.
I enlisted durng Vietnam but was sent to nuclear power training and then to subs. In some ways I feel regret that I didn't get to Vietnam to be with the men that really had it tough. Thank you for your service to America.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what will happen is that it'll be either struck down as unequal treatment or expanded to the populace at large, giving the politicians a pool of millions of kids to send off to die on worthless adventures to loot the treasury or spread global communism. Be careful what you wish for, especially when it involves throwing someone else's life away.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow, I cannot figure out how a state could draft anyone to serve in the federal military.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dleeharrison

I was drafted in 1959....Had to quit a high paying job, went thru basic training, had to cancel my planned wedding, served 2 years active duty, did 2 years active reserve duty and then 2 years inactive reserve...

I do not recall any of the draftees I served with being loosers or criminals..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ENLISTED in 70. The draft was on the way out. VOLAR was in.

Trust me any losers and other idiots were quickly rounded up and stuck in the stockade or sent to 'attitude adjustment' training units.

In Viet Nam the issue of stupid bastards was more visible. See all the good guys did their jobs either in the rear with the beer, or ass in the grass.

The low lifes were either in LBJ, awol/deserted in country, or were strung out on the cheap heroin.

The ones who actually made it in to the field were soon given a strong reality check by the old timers. A good portion of them draftees too.

So over all the system did work but it wasn't pretty nor painless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Amendment 13, U.S. Constitution

It's the law...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We sorta bent that law for quite a few years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elmer wrote:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Amendment 13, U.S. Constitution

It's the law...


Gaining illegal entry is not a crime?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say . . . that's an interesting concept . . .

Of course, first, we'd have to actually arrest, charge, try, and convict them of the crime. Nobody appears to be real interested in doing that right now.

And how'd you like to be the commanding officer of a whole bunch of convicted criminals?

Needs work . . .

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revolver-Time wrote:
Elmer wrote:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Amendment 13, U.S. Constitution

It's the law...


Gaining illegal entry is not a crime?


Yes it is. Just make sure you convict them before you "draft" them. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dirty Dozen...1967...Lee Marvin & Charles Bronson... Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dleeharrison wrote:
While I agree with the general idea, the use of illegals in the service would make them mercenaries - fighting not for country but for money and to serve out a "jail sentence".

I enlisted in the Army and served in the 60's and early 70's and a majority of fellow GIs were draftees and we had a few GIs who were in the service as an alternative to spending time in the slammer for stautuory rape and other less crimes. Both the Army and the Marines were a shadow of the themselves before Vietnam and the draft. The Marines were drafted since they couldn't fill out their manpower comittment. The services was villified both in and out of the service for a number of years from the around 1966 ot the mid to late 70's. The Navy and Air Force were relatively unscathed during Vietnam. The draft was a major cause of the breakdown. It was a far cry from the professional service today.


I disagree and I was in the Army 1966 through 1968 and the problem was the anti-war fervor whipped up by the radicals on the left; You had troops coming home from combat in 'Nam being SPIT on by draft dodging college students and the news media were doing their best to vilify the armed services too. I found for the most part that those I served with, even if drafted did their jobs and acted honorably; Most "Lifer" Sgts would tell you that they would prefer to be in a fox hole with a draftee because the draftee wanted to survive and get home and would therefore do a good job for both of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elmer wrote:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Amendment 13, U.S. Constitution

It's the law...


Wasn't good it old Abe Lincoln that instituted the draft during the War for Southern Independence? I seem to recall reading about some "Draft Riots" in New York City.
Then we have Wilson during WW1 drafting people ( another liberal progressive) and again during WW2 we have FDR drafting people too; OOps almost forgot, Truman during the Korean Conflict, JFK and LBJ during Vietnam.
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