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flatgate Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: .41 magnum Flattops |
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It's come to my attention that some confusion may exist as to the origin of the .41 mag. calibre Ruger Blackhawks that have recently appeared on the market.
Some rumors have circulated that Country Music Entertainer and Shooter Hank Williams, Jr. was a "player" in the initial order. Well, that's just not the case. The guns were contracted by long time Ruger Distributor Williams Shooters Supply.
We here at Ruger Forum want the Members to be informed with accurate information.
Happy Trails,
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chet15 Ruger Guru

Joined: 22 Jan 2001 Posts: 5589 Location: Dawson, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Flatgate:
As far as I know, Williams did not have the exclusive on these guns when the first of them were built (the 6-1/2" model). Sent you details on how they came to Williams in an email (which came from the horse's mouth).
This model may not have become anybody's exclusive without their initial discovery by our collecting group and subsequent advertising on RF.
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seeemmiss Single-Sixer
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| My letters from Ruger says they all three are Hank Williams exclusives |
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Ale-8(1) Hawkeye
Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 7957 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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We sure about the horse??
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chet15 Ruger Guru

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ale-8(1) wrote: | We sure about the horse??
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Can't get any better on that one. PM sent.
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rugerguy Ruger Guru

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 12783 Location: Ohio , U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Williams Sight Company guy told our dealer ( also a collector) it was their exclusive offer???? why would he BS....????  _________________ Dan
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BlkHawk73 Hawkeye

Joined: 30 Dec 1999 Posts: 8190 Location: Maine
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| My understanding is that HW Jr was instrumental in this model but William's was just as instrumental in getting the run produced. Have all the notes someplace. |
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flatgate Site Admin

Joined: 18 Jun 2001 Posts: 26829 Location: Star Valley, WY
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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OK, here's a statement from SR&Co.'s General Counsel..
In the fall of 2009, Ruger produced a limited run of New Model Blackhawk revolvers chambered in .41 caliber with a flat top frame and Catalog No. S416N. Because of an internal data error, there was a miscommunication that this was a special Hank Williams, Jr. model or was otherwise somehow affiliated with Hank Williams, Jr. That is not the case. These revolvers were sold to Williams Shooters Supply, and should not be considered as a Hank Williams Jr. model. Corrected serial number letters have been sent out to the people who previously requested and received letters on this model. Anyone who called Ruger and received the erroneous information should take note of this correction. Ruger sincerely apologizes to its customers and Hank Williams, Jr. for any confusion this may have caused.
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chet15 Ruger Guru

Joined: 22 Jan 2001 Posts: 5589 Location: Dawson, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| rugerguy wrote: | Williams Sight Company guy told our dealer ( also a collector) it was their exclusive offer???? why would he BS....????  |
Dan:
I know this is just a flub, but we're not talking about the Williams Sight Company....its Williams' Shooters Supply in Illinois.
As I said in my previous post...yes, the .41 flattop is now a Williams exclusive. But it is my understanding, that these guns never had anything to do with Williams the distributor before they were produced by the Ruger factory. It is my understanding that the keen eye of Mr. Williams himself tuned in to the fact that the S416N showed up on a list of available guns that the factory had....so Mr. Williams purchased the first 36-40 of those that were made.
Nobody's BS'ing anybody here.
When they became popular....is when Mr. Williams asked to have the exclusive on this model.
The 4-5/8" .41 flattop that we'll soon all see is a Williams exclusive from the get go.
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HAWKEYE#28 Ruger Guru
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 8153 Location: Near North Woods,MINN, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:28 am Post subject: |
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I would think one would be pleased to be affiliated with a particular model of firearm, particularly when one has an acknowledged affinity for the company's products over a long time period........ But then again, no one has asked me to do so, for a stainless steel 10'' Hawkeye ............... in 223 caliber. Of course, just my opinion early in the wane of a winter's morn, here in the NNW's...........MIKE _________________ SPLITZ
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Ale-8(1) Hawkeye
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hank Williams, Jr . . . Williams Shooters Supply . . . plenty of opportunity there for misinformation to get started and circulated.
Thanks, flatgate, for the facts.
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seeemmiss Single-Sixer
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| In thrity years when all you guys are gone, I will still have my three in a row with the original letters that say Hank Williams Jr. and I bet it will be one of those things that are worth more than the dang guns. Just got to wait until thin. By the way, in thirty years I will be in my prime!! |
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HAWKEYE#28 Ruger Guru
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Slyly I offer: there is more to this tale than we may know..........But, then, I live on the edge of wetness(ala, johnny Carson, Ed McMahon, and lively paranoia)  _________________ SPLITZ
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seeemmiss Single-Sixer
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| OK Flatgate, I searched the Ruger web site and can't find the info you listed. Can you point me in the correct direction for obtaining the word on these guns? |
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rugerguy Ruger Guru

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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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oh my I guess CRS took over, I said "sght company" instead of "Shooters Suppy", excuse me..............I don't deal with them, I only dealt with the "sight company" back in the 70's , and automatically said "sight co" and yes, my dealer ,Bill did say," supply", so whats the BIG deal??? sue me......
not the first time I said something in error and won't be the last......
you guys are starting to take the "fun" out of collecting.................  _________________ Dan
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