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GilaMonster Single-Sixer

Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 102 Location: Buckhead Mesa
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| certified angus wrote: | | "I think it would be easier to get made at a church, some people are huggers, you going to say no to hugs at church?? " |
Here's a good argument to stay away from churches. |
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dlh38or45 Single-Sixer

Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 224 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: |
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I AM pastor and I carry--usually a .38 snubby in the right front pocket and at least 2 speed strips/speed loaders in the left front pocket. I have so much stuff in my pockets that noone could get so personal as to notice except my wife.
As to the original question, I would go ahead and do it, but if you feel like you need to ask your pastor, than do so.
DLH _________________ Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne
I may sound like a Bible-beater yellin' up a revival at a river-crossing camp-meeting, but that don't change the truth none. --John Wayne in "The Alamo" |
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ECUfan Single-Sixer
Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 225 Location: Pirate Country
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I carry EVERY Sunday in North Carolina. I know a couple other Deacons that do as well. I am sure that there are others who carry but that is their business. |
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Bear Paw Jack Hunter
Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 4293 Location: Alaska, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I carry in church. I go to a very large church, the pastor is a hunter and talks about it from the pulpit. They understand and have a very good security program. (not as good as I would like but coming along) I know the head of security fairly well and let him know that if he ever needed help let me know. They have never given instructions to people in church how to handle and incident, so what concerns me is if a shooter comes in how many other people will bring out guns to deal with him, cross fire, etc. It's important for the people in the lobby to be on top of things to keep them out of the sactuary. Layers of defense is the key to real security just like the home.
Editing to say, I don't even start to worry about terrorism, the real issue to be aware of is domestic disputes that didn't go the husbands way, pastor needs to keep security informed of issues like that so they can keep their eyes open. |
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ArmedinAZ Blackhawk

Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 571 Location: the SB1070 state
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: |
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The argument that carrying in church is the right thing to do and is approved is much more compelling that the argument that I carry in church because I have the right to and will go elsewhere if asked not to.
Thanks for the thoughts.
A church with armed security at the doors? That warps my mind a bit. _________________ RugerForum July striker pistol match results:
1st- Springfield XD40
2nd- Mauser 1914 - peoples choice!
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GilaMonster Single-Sixer

Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 102 Location: Buckhead Mesa
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| ArmedinAZ wrote: | A church with armed security at the doors? That warps my mind a bit. |
you know the saying: Follow the Money!
those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.
you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?
what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it! |
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ArmedinAZ Blackhawk

Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 571 Location: the SB1070 state
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| GilaMonster wrote: | | ArmedinAZ wrote: | A church with armed security at the doors? That warps my mind a bit. |
you know the saying: Follow the Money!
those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.
you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?
what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it! |
This was a reasonable discussion until now, really sorry this bothers you so much.
Any mods reading this thread care to lock it down now? _________________ RugerForum July striker pistol match results:
1st- Springfield XD40
2nd- Mauser 1914 - peoples choice!
3rd- Glock 19C
Absent- any SR9(c)?? |
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certified angus Bearcat
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| ArmedinAZ wrote: | A church with armed security at the doors? That warps my mind a bit. |
What is mind warping is the idea that someone is messed up enough, either mentally or emotionally, to threaten the life of pastor. I have heard stories of it happening, but kind of had forgotten about it until talking to our local police detective regarding some security ideas at our church, and he mentioned that a couple of other local pastors had recieved threats of great bodily harm or death. Like Billy Currington sings in song, "people are crazy". And we are not in a "mega church" environment. Just a small town with average size churches of the major denominations. |
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certified angus Bearcat
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| GilaMonster wrote: | | certified angus wrote: | | "I think it would be easier to get made at a church, some people are huggers, you going to say no to hugs at church?? " |
Here's a good argument to stay away from churches. |
Family functions, too.  |
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Ruger Packer Moderator

Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 8937 Location: Grand Lake Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ArmedinAZ wrote: | | GilaMonster wrote: | | ArmedinAZ wrote: | A church with armed security at the doors? That warps my mind a bit. |
you know the saying: Follow the Money!
those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.
you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?
what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it! |
This was a reasonable discussion until now, really sorry this bothers you so much.
Any mods reading this thread care to lock it down now? |
I read it. I won't lock this down, but I will remind GilaMonster and any others here that with regards to religion, you are free to practice it or not practice it, as you wish.
It helps matters tremendously if you stick to the ORIGINAL topic.... which in this case was about CC in houses of worship. If you don't attend church, perhaps you really should not post here if your diatribe is disrespectful.... as GilaMonster's was.
GilaMonster, consider this a warning. _________________ John ~ "Whatever trips yer trigger!" ~ Molōn labe! |
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Bear Paw Jack Hunter
Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 4293 Location: Alaska, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure where some of these off the wall comments are coming from. Money has nothing to do with why people want to do harm to someone in church. Usually they are mentally disturbed, or have gotten all worked up as a result of domestic issues where the church sided with the wife over some pretty bad stuff from the husband and he didn't appreciate it. Look it up they all virtually fall in one of those two categories. Occasionally I've seen "politics" enter in as someone who wasn't respected came to speak and others came to create a disruption, but that doesn't happen to often either. Some of this other stuff is way out of line. |
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Tracer Bearcat
Joined: 12 Feb 2010 Posts: 45 Location: Mid-West
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I for one am not going to the Barber shop or church with out my weapon! Now who can say when trouble will come at you, a car-jacking, after your leave church. One just never knows when they might need that CCW weapon on them.
I know of a church who's pastor was gone down by an idiot last year. I truely do belive, if there would have been folks attending church that day with a CCW and their weapon, this pastor might still be alive today. The state was Illinois, which by the way has NO CCW law in effect yet. I refuse to go over into that state anymore just because of the non-support of those in other states that have a CCW Permit. _________________ AMERICA is FREE, thanks to our VETERANS!!! |
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Bigfoot62 Single-Sixer
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 112 Location: West Central LA
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Here in La, you cannot carry in a church building unless you have the consent of the church. (exactly what that means is open to debate) If you are a commissioned LEO, the restriction does not apply. I've been a Reserve Deputy Sheriff for years.
FWIW, my pastor knows that I carry and he's fine with it. |
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toysoldier Hunter
Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2029 Location: Hutchinson, KS USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Kansas law specifically prohibits weapons in churches. I don't know if there is a "security" exemption for designated members. After I check that out, I might talk to the pastor about it. As a choir member, I'm facing the entrance.
I've been carrying for about two years now, and am very uncomfortable without, much as I don't like riding in a vehicle without my seat belt.
I also work in a hospital, another specifically prohibited place.  _________________ "In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences." --Robert G. Ingersol |
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toysoldier Hunter
Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2029 Location: Hutchinson, KS USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Checking the official Kansas website, I found this:
75-7c10. Same; places where carrying concealed weapon not authorized; penalties for violations.
(a) Provided that the premises are conspicuously posted in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general as premises where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited, no license issued pursuant to this act shall authorize the licensee to carry a concealed weapon into:
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(21) any church or temple
Looks like someone wanted to ban guns in churches, but the caveat about conspicuous posting (the no-gun sign) seems to me to restrict the ban only to churches that have posted, just like businesses.  _________________ "In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences." --Robert G. Ingersol |
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