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GilaMonster
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

certified angus wrote:
"I think it would be easier to get made at a church, some people are huggers, you going to say no to hugs at church?? "



Here's a good argument to stay away from churches.
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dlh38or45
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I AM pastor and I carry--usually a .38 snubby in the right front pocket and at least 2 speed strips/speed loaders in the left front pocket. I have so much stuff in my pockets that noone could get so personal as to notice except my wife.

As to the original question, I would go ahead and do it, but if you feel like you need to ask your pastor, than do so.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry EVERY Sunday in North Carolina. I know a couple other Deacons that do as well. I am sure that there are others who carry but that is their business.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carry in church. I go to a very large church, the pastor is a hunter and talks about it from the pulpit. They understand and have a very good security program. (not as good as I would like but coming along) I know the head of security fairly well and let him know that if he ever needed help let me know. They have never given instructions to people in church how to handle and incident, so what concerns me is if a shooter comes in how many other people will bring out guns to deal with him, cross fire, etc. It's important for the people in the lobby to be on top of things to keep them out of the sactuary. Layers of defense is the key to real security just like the home.
Editing to say, I don't even start to worry about terrorism, the real issue to be aware of is domestic disputes that didn't go the husbands way, pastor needs to keep security informed of issues like that so they can keep their eyes open.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The argument that carrying in church is the right thing to do and is approved is much more compelling that the argument that I carry in church because I have the right to and will go elsewhere if asked not to.

Thanks for the thoughts.

A church with armed security at the doors? Shocked That warps my mind a bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmedinAZ wrote:
A church with armed security at the doors? Shocked That warps my mind a bit.


you know the saying: Follow the Money!

those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.

you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?

what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GilaMonster wrote:
ArmedinAZ wrote:
A church with armed security at the doors? Shocked That warps my mind a bit.


you know the saying: Follow the Money!

those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.

you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?

what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it!


This was a reasonable discussion until now, really sorry this bothers you so much.

Any mods reading this thread care to lock it down now?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmedinAZ wrote:
A church with armed security at the doors? Shocked That warps my mind a bit.


What is mind warping is the idea that someone is messed up enough, either mentally or emotionally, to threaten the life of pastor. I have heard stories of it happening, but kind of had forgotten about it until talking to our local police detective regarding some security ideas at our church, and he mentioned that a couple of other local pastors had recieved threats of great bodily harm or death. Like Billy Currington sings in song, "people are crazy". And we are not in a "mega church" environment. Just a small town with average size churches of the major denominations.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GilaMonster wrote:
certified angus wrote:
"I think it would be easier to get made at a church, some people are huggers, you going to say no to hugs at church?? "



Here's a good argument to stay away from churches.


Family functions, too. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmedinAZ wrote:
GilaMonster wrote:
ArmedinAZ wrote:
A church with armed security at the doors? Shocked That warps my mind a bit.


you know the saying: Follow the Money!

those big mega-churches are gold mines. how else do they build those huge buildings on Central and Bethany Home and on the sides of mountains in North PHX? thousands of sheep drive their Caddies and Hummers down there each week to listen to some pouffy-haired, cap-toothed, machine-tanned phony cajole wads of 50s outa their wallets to sate his latest desires, in exchange for assuaging the guilt they feel for having earned it theirownselves.

you think such a circus is not a target-rich environment for those vermin too lazy to have a real job?

what warps my mind is that anyone in control of theirs would spend five minutes in any such coin-collecting edifice, or even spend two minutes thinking about it!


This was a reasonable discussion until now, really sorry this bothers you so much.

Any mods reading this thread care to lock it down now?


I read it. I won't lock this down, but I will remind GilaMonster and any others here that with regards to religion, you are free to practice it or not practice it, as you wish.

It helps matters tremendously if you stick to the ORIGINAL topic.... which in this case was about CC in houses of worship. If you don't attend church, perhaps you really should not post here if your diatribe is disrespectful.... as GilaMonster's was.

GilaMonster, consider this a warning.
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Bear Paw Jack
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure where some of these off the wall comments are coming from. Money has nothing to do with why people want to do harm to someone in church. Usually they are mentally disturbed, or have gotten all worked up as a result of domestic issues where the church sided with the wife over some pretty bad stuff from the husband and he didn't appreciate it. Look it up they all virtually fall in one of those two categories. Occasionally I've seen "politics" enter in as someone who wasn't respected came to speak and others came to create a disruption, but that doesn't happen to often either. Some of this other stuff is way out of line.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one am not going to the Barber shop or church with out my weapon! Now who can say when trouble will come at you, a car-jacking, after your leave church. One just never knows when they might need that CCW weapon on them.

I know of a church who's pastor was gone down by an idiot last year. I truely do belive, if there would have been folks attending church that day with a CCW and their weapon, this pastor might still be alive today. The state was Illinois, which by the way has NO CCW law in effect yet. I refuse to go over into that state anymore just because of the non-support of those in other states that have a CCW Permit.
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Bigfoot62
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in La, you cannot carry in a church building unless you have the consent of the church. (exactly what that means is open to debate) If you are a commissioned LEO, the restriction does not apply. I've been a Reserve Deputy Sheriff for years.
FWIW, my pastor knows that I carry and he's fine with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kansas law specifically prohibits weapons in churches. I don't know if there is a "security" exemption for designated members. After I check that out, I might talk to the pastor about it. As a choir member, I'm facing the entrance.
I've been carrying for about two years now, and am very uncomfortable without, much as I don't like riding in a vehicle without my seat belt.
I also work in a hospital, another specifically prohibited place. Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checking the official Kansas website, I found this:

75-7c10. Same; places where carrying concealed weapon not authorized; penalties for violations.
(a) Provided that the premises are conspicuously posted in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general as premises where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited, no license issued pursuant to this act shall authorize the licensee to carry a concealed weapon into:
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(21) any church or temple

Looks like someone wanted to ban guns in churches, but the caveat about conspicuous posting (the no-gun sign) seems to me to restrict the ban only to churches that have posted, just like businesses. Smile
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