RugerForum.com Forum Index RugerForum.com
This is a Ruger Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with,
nor does it represent Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. of Southport, CT.
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Government-Run Health Plan Requires Monthly Abortion Premium
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RugerForum.com Forum Index -> Gun Control and Other Political Issues
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Aktarus
Bearcat


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 24
Location: ITALY

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piper wrote:
Cat

Like it or not health care needs reform. yes it's been talked about for years; why the rush? maybe because it can now be done; not a created crisis. Obama ran on national healthcare. My bet is the insurance companies will spend millions supporting the Republicans next election. The insurance companies are doing everything in their power to derail or delay this bill. fear is being spread to the tune of over a million a day. ask why.

Sorry but there has been time for reform and it was ignored. Drag your feet long enough and folks get tired of it and elect someone that will take action.

Piper



The empire of insurance is equal to the empire of the 7 sisters for oil. Only think of doing business! Are only lobbies that control the U.S. market. They do not care nothing about the problems of people. For them, the people just only "economic affairs". The lobbies are strong and the stakes are high. for this I predict that in future there will be a strong attack on the policies of President Obama.

Quote 100% my friend Piper Wink


Last edited by Aktarus on Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:17 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
810wmb
Blackhawk


Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 651

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the Pelosi Health-Care Bill Really Says

Here are some important passages in the 2,000 page legislation.




By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.

What the government will require you to do:

• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.

• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later.

On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.

• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.

• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.

Eviscerating Medicare:

In addition to reducing future Medicare funding by an estimated $500 billion, the bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.

• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."

The medical home is this decade's version of HMO-restrictions on care. A primary-care provider manages access to costly specialists and diagnostic tests for a flat monthly fee. The bill specifies that patients may have to settle for a nurse practitioner rather than a physician as the primary-care provider. Medical homes begin with demonstration projects, but the HHS secretary is authorized to "disseminate this approach rapidly on a national basis."

A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that "medical homes" were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.

• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.

• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.

• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.

• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services."

Questionable Priorities:

While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability.

• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."

These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.

• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.

• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should "give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population." And secondary-school grants should go to schools "graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities."

• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.

For the text of the bill with page numbers, see www.defendyourhealthcare.us.

Ms. McCaughey is chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former Lt. Governor of New York state.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519671055918380.html#printMode



waiting for piper to defend this
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DMN
Hunter


Joined: 26 Jul 2009
Posts: 2356

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

810wmb wrote:
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

waiting for piper to defend this


I won't defend the bill, (written by politicians, fought against by politicians, based on money interests ) but I really would consider the source (McCaughey) of the article. JMHO
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Piper
Hawkeye


Joined: 25 May 2005
Posts: 10098
Location: Denton Tx

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep actually if you read the bill and the hit piece it will become pretty evident that the source is way off base.

This same piece has been around before and debunked; I'll not waste my time.

Piper
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
810wmb
Blackhawk


Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 651

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piper wrote:
Yep actually if you read the bill and the hit piece it will become pretty evident that the source is way off base.

This same piece has been around before and debunked; I'll not waste my time.

Piper


sorry to waste y'alls time!

gee, everything i link is poop..i'm crossing over..i want to be able to find the proper links, with the correct info...and here piper was saying the wsj was a good site yesterday


move over boys, there is a new lib in town


810 goes a goose steppin' to piper's house to sign up for the revolution
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Aktarus
Bearcat


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 24
Location: ITALY

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: A first step has been done Reply with quote

A first step has been done. Now wait for approval by the Senate. President Obama is confident. ... and I have confidence in your program. Wink
I understand that the American people will not be easy to accept a change so radical, but the health reform was needed. Many people "for their own interests" will continue to fight against the new. Fighting for freedom is a right, like fighting for the health of the whole American people. IMHO Very Happy
_________________
IF YOU WANT A DIFFERENT DAY... RUGER GP 100


Last edited by Aktarus on Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RKDS
Buckeye


Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Posts: 1358
Location: United States of America

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now if only he could make the trains run on time! Perhaps someone from your country could help with that?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
DMN
Hunter


Joined: 26 Jul 2009
Posts: 2356

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RKDS wrote:
Now if only he could make the trains run on time! Perhaps someone from your country could help with that?


A whole lot of unadulterated hate being shown here.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Aktarus
Bearcat


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 24
Location: ITALY

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...FOR RKDS

The exclusion of that part of the people who do not even have the right to cure himself, is a sign of "poverty" over the entire American people. Crying or Very sad The difficulties in getting "a train on time" exist all over the world. In a global society so complex, there is always something that does not work. more ... IMHO Wink
_________________
IF YOU WANT A DIFFERENT DAY... RUGER GP 100
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RKDS
Buckeye


Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Posts: 1358
Location: United States of America

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMN wrote:
RKDS wrote:
Now if only he could make the trains run on time! Perhaps someone from your country could help with that?


A whole lot of unadulterated hate being shown here.


You're right, I do hate when ignorant busybodies purport to usurp my God-given rights and freedom.

And for the fellow from Italy: I may have been impulsive in jumping down your throat here, as no specifically directed animosity was intended. It's just that the rest of the world never shuts the hell up about how we don't have the right to interfere with or preach to any other country so I can't help but find it ridiculous when that same international community thinks we need their advice or consent with regards to our affairs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Juan Gama
Buckeye


Joined: 16 Aug 2009
Posts: 1198
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the Internet, where people from all over the world can come together and offer opinions on subjects about which they know nothing. Why, just yesterday I found a web site in Iceland and was able to explain to them just how they could boost their tourist industry by installing space heaters in their outdoor cafes. They seemed a little upset at my suggestion, but I felt so much better knowing that I had been able to help them out.

Juan
_________________
The sooner we get this over, the sooner we can start over.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Aktarus
Bearcat


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 24
Location: ITALY

PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RKDS wrote:
DMN wrote:
RKDS wrote:
Now if only he could make the trains run on time! Perhaps someone from your country could help with that?


A whole lot of unadulterated hate being shown here.


You're right, I do hate when ignorant busybodies purport to usurp my God-given rights and freedom.

And for the fellow from Italy: I may have been impulsive in jumping down your throat here, as no specifically directed animosity was intended. It's just that the rest of the world never shuts the hell up about how we don't have the right to interfere with or preach to any other country so I can't help but find it ridiculous when that same international community thinks we need their advice or consent with regards to our affairs.


for RKDS
I see that you're sorry for what I wrote. I did not want to offend anyone, much less interfere with the problems of American politics. This is an open forum where everyone can freely express opinions, even if they come from outside of North America. If you believe that I have offended you, I'm sorry, but the fact remains that it was only my opinion. with love ...
_________________
IF YOU WANT A DIFFERENT DAY... RUGER GP 100
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RugerForum.com Forum Index -> Gun Control and Other Political Issues All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Page 6 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group