Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter

Hannah Reed (Rust movie armorer) was found guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter but not guilty of evidence tampering.

Like I said all along, the armorer is responsible for the guns and ammo used on the movie set. That is what her job is. I know you all wanted to hang Baldwin so bad you could taste it. But the gun had live ammo in it and her job was to see that it was loaded with blanks. You guys will never understand that will you?

It's not a case of knowing and following gun safe handling rules. It's a case of "That gun had live ammo in it" Period. If she did her job, there would not have been live ammo in that gun.

Now let's hear all your cries about "It's Baldwins fault".

She probably wishes she'd spent more time doing her job and less time "one toke over the line".

Live ammo or not, if Baldwin had checked, it (a fatal shooting) wouldn't have happened. Even if he hadn't checked, if he had NOT pointed the gun at someone, it would not have happened! Even so, if he had not pulled the trigger, it (a fatal shooting) would not have happened! If he had not pushed the participants, it likely would not have happened!

No one is saying that she is innocent. We are just saying Baldwin bears a significant part of the blame!

I still want Baldwin hung. A feller points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger, but it's alright because somebody told him there were no bullets in it?

BearBiologist said:

Live ammo or not, if Baldwin had checked, it (a fatal shooting) wouldn't have happened. Even if he hadn't checked, if he had NOT pointed the gun at someone, it would not have happened! Even so, if he had not pulled the trigger, it (a fatal shooting) would not have happened! If he had not pushed the participants, it likely would not have happened!

No one is saying that she is innocent. We are just saying Baldwin bears a significant part of the blame!

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If Baldwin had a heart attack and died a day before that, it wouldn't have happened either. If Baldwins parents had never had him it also wouldn't have happened. We can go on and on about this but the jury saw it the was it was, not the way you thought it should have happened.

IT WAS HER JOB !!! The buck should have stopped with her.

WAYNO said:

I still want Baldwin hung. A feller points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger, but it's alright because somebody told him there were no bullets in it?

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It was a make believe movie. You and I would have checked the gun ourselves but, we're gun people, they are just make believe actors. That's why they have an armorer on the set to see that those idiot actors don't do anything stupid.

So, it is my responsibility if someone else does something stupid (and criminal!). It is illegal to shoot someone except in self-defense, is it not? If I hand someone a loaded gun and he shoots you, WHO is to blame?? If I incite a riot, am I at fault? If I tell someone to shoot a public figure and he does so, is he not to blame??

THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PERSON WHO PULLS THE TRIGGER!!!!

If Baldwin was conservative and had a DC jury….

When I am handed a gun, be it from a friend, or a clerk in a gun shop, NOBODY is responsible for the loaded status of that gun but,,,,,,,,,,,, ME.

Seems like many things went wrong on that set, & those people may conduct themselves in a different manner,,, having folks do things for them that they should be doing themselves. but,,,,,,,,,,,

I'll revert back to my first statement. A store clerk may check a gun, close it & hand it to me, but I'll check it again before handling. After handling, I had the gun back to the clerk,,,, open. They always act like they appreciate that.

Now, with all this chest thumping, I might have a boo boo tomorrow. But I dang sure try to go the extra step & take responsibility for myself. With all that in mind, it would be tough to be in a movie where I had to point a gun at someone while filming. The director might quickly tire of me stopping the taping while I re-checked the chamber.

Several of the movie workers testified that Baldwin had made the movie unsafe by constantly pushing them to proceed faster. A bunch of people quit over it

Back to square one

Ok for all you YES I CHECK the gun and ammo. Lets look at a different gun and movie type. You Mr. Check ALL are in a war moving and your job is to shoot the bad guys coming at you with the 30 or 50 Cal machine gun. The Armor just loaded the gun with a ammo can full of movie blanks. Are you going to check to see if all 250 of those rounds are blanks before you point and fire Mr Browning? Probably not if you want to keep your job. Yes I realise the MG probably can not fire a live round But.

Not much different than a Safety Engineer saying a dangerous situation is safe to work and sh!t goes bad and kills a few people. Whos fault is it the SE or the worker who did his job.

She got eff'd IMO.. I could be wrong but I read she wasn't on the set and Baldwin as executive producer who schedules the scenes didn't inform her she was needed that day. I don't fault Baldwin for not checking the ammo or even pulling the trigger when was told it was a cold gun. I want to know who brought and allowed live ammo on the set . The person who loaded it should bear the brunt of the consequences

BearBiologist said:

So, it is my responsibility if someone else does something stupid (and criminal!). It is illegal to shoot someone except in self-defense, is it not? If I hand someone a loaded gun and he shoots you, WHO is to blame?? If I incite a riot, am I at fault? If I tell someone to shoot a public figure and he does so, is he not to blame??

THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PERSON WHO PULLS THE TRIGGER!!!!

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Twelve people on a jury knew who was legally responsible. But you're smarter than all of them right?

Of course none of us was there at the time were we? We did not hear all of the evidence and testimony did we.

Again, it was her responsibility for that gun. GET THAT THOUGH YOUR HEAD That was her job.

Why don't you tell me why it was not her job?

You can point at the armorer all day and yes it was her job, but the producer is the OVERALL chief. Now I don't know what is fact or fiction in this whole mess, but wasn't there talk of live ammo used for fun when not filming? Wasn't there talk of multiple unsafe conditions prior? Didn't the accident happen during a break time (lunch?) when the official team as not there?

Don't any of these create cause for the producer to fire, or at a minimum, chastise the unsafe armorer? Or were many of these unsafe conditions created by the producer?

golferboy426 said:

She got eff'd IMO.. I could be wrong but I read she wasn't on the set and Baldwin as executive producer who schedules the scenes didn't inform her she was needed that day. I don't fault Baldwin for not checking the ammo or even pulling the trigger when was told it was a cold gun. I want to know who brought and allowed live ammo on the set . The person who loaded it should bear the brunt of the consequences

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Evidently throughout the whole trial they never discovered who actually loaded the gun. If it was left over ammo from a previous use, why was the gun not checked when returned to the armory ? Who is responsible for that? Would that be the armors job?

golferboy426 said:

She got eff'd IMO.. I could be wrong but I read she wasn't on the set and Baldwin as executive producer who schedules the scenes didn't inform her she was needed that day. I don't fault Baldwin for not checking the ammo or even pulling the trigger when was told it was a cold gun. I want to know who brought and allowed live ammo on the set . The person who loaded it should bear the brunt of the consequences

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I disagree, if you except a firearm from someone, anyone, its your responsibility to check it out. on duty? off duty? that's dribble. live ammo on the set? and who put it in the firearm? bears the responsibility of informing the new handler, but its back on Baldwin to know, and check the firearm, and be sure. gunna be hard not to find Baldwin guilty being the trigger puller. remember, involuntary manslaughter means you did it, it might have unintended. but your still responsible for causing a death.

I still don't understand what real ammo was there or why or how it got there.

mr.deerstalker said:

I disagree, if you except a firearm from someone, anyone, its your responsibility to check it out. on duty? off duty? that's dribble. live ammo on the set? and who put it in the firearm? bears the responsibility of informing the new handler, but its back on Baldwin to know, and check the firearm, and be sure. gunna be hard not to find Baldwin guilty being the trigger puller. remember, involuntary manslaughter means you did it, it might have unintended. but your still responsible for causing a death.

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Actors are not gun people, period. That's why they have an armorer.