No more Harbor Freight?

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caryc

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Drove into town today to pick up some stuff I needed at Harbor Freight. Got there and almost had a heart attack. No more Harbor Freight. Gone. Empty Building. So I went to Home Depot to see if they had what I needed. I got to talking to an associate and he said they just moved down the street a little and are now on the other side of the street. So, back to Harbor Freight. I buy a lot of stuff from Harbor Freight and Amazon. At least they could have left a sign saying where they moved.
 

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Drove into town today to pick up some stuff I needed at Harbor Freight. Got there and almost had a heart attack. No more Harbor Freight. Gone. Empty Building. So I went to Home Depot to see if they had what I needed. I got to talking to an associate and he said they just moved down the street a little and are now on the other side of the street. So, back to Harbor Freight. I buy a lot of stuff from Harbor Freight and Amazon. At least they could have left a sign saying where they moved.

Wouldnt mind if they all closed, I dont like businesses that specialize in Chinese made junk.
 
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If every business that sells Chinesium junk closed, most areas would be in serious trouble. The businesses are not really at fault. Their business is built around buyers' preferences. Some of us operate on budgets that don't allow $400 wrench sets or $2000 air compressors.
American work ethic is another reason that industry moved out.
 

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I buy a lot of stuff from Harbor Freight and Amazon.
Same here. Our HF is fairly new (three years maybe) and before it came here I wasn't aware. The store is kind of like the toy aisle at the grocery store. Not as good as the real toy store, but better than mayonnaise and potato chip shopping. Amazon Prime pays for itself easily.
Never been in a Harbor Freight and only shop Home Depot if there is no other choice. I like Do-It-Best or Ace Hardware.
Regional... I have no idea where a DIB or Ace is. DIB brand stuff is sold at the crappy "hardware" store in the little town I lived in from 2001-2005 (population 2000) and Ace was a thing of my youth. According to the internet, there is an Ace in the next small town to the west and one about 20 minutes south of here. The closest DIB store to me is in another State, about 30 minutes north.
If every business that sells Chinesium junk closed, most areas would be in serious trouble. The businesses are not really at fault. Their business is built around buyers' preferences. Some of us operate on budgets that don't allow $400 wrench sets or $2000 air compressors.
American work ethic is another reason that industry moved out.
I agree. It's not like Chinese people are working at the stores. It's generally Americans paying American taxes, etc. I would like to know where to get everyday use items that are NOT from China. If we're just talking tools, a greater percentage of even USA name brands have parts (or whole) made in China. Look at the label on the next overpriced Snap-On tool you buy. Likely came from China. I have about $35K invested in tools and more than a little of it was NOT cheap but made in China. I just bought a secondary cart (to prevent having to upgrade my $5K tool chest) and I got it a HF. Price was $260 out the door. Blue Point (Snap-On's budget brand) has one similar for $1400. They're both made in China.
 
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Drove into town today to pick up some stuff I needed at Harbor Freight. Got there and almost had a heart attack. No more Harbor Freight. Gone. Empty Building. So I went to Home Depot to see if they had what I needed. I got to talking to an associate and he said they just moved down the street a little and are now on the other side of the street. So, back to Harbor Freight. I buy a lot of stuff from Harbor Freight and Amazon. At least they could have left a sign saying where they moved.
Only have one question.... when was the last time you were there? ;)

Moving a store is not a quick process, could there have been lots of signs that you didn't see because it had been months since the last time you were there?


Wouldnt mind if they all closed, I dont like businesses that specialize in Chinese made junk.
As with everything these days, you have to judge something by what it is, not what you want it to be. This doesn't apply to just the merch, but also to the stores that sell it. I do not go to Harbor Freight for tools that I expect to last forever, I go there for that one specialty tool that I need for one project, that I will probably never need or use again. I do not expect quality, I expect a cheap price. I am never disappointed when I look at things this way (also so has it that this philosophy applies to movies... looking at you new Road House).
 

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Back in the early 90's my dad was living in Thomaston, GA. A man down there owned two service stations with mechanic stalls. The deal he offered dad was that if Dad kept his gas pumped whatever he sold out of there was his. So he ran two service stations with mechanic stalls doing automobile repairs, selling tires, etc. Prior to this he had been a mechanic, service advisor, service manager. Dad provided the tools. It didn't take long before his Mac & Snap-On tools were driving off under the hoods of other people's cars because his hired help were forgetting them. Back then Harbor Freight stuff was ordered from the back pages of magazines. He was an early adopter of their stuff. There is no point in paying for top quality tools when they will be lost anyway.

I tend to buy more stuff at the local Ace but that is mostly because it is more convenient than going to Harbor Freight, Lowes, or Home Depot. It is usually about 10% more expensive but I consider that a convenience fee. It honestly doesn't matter where you buy it just about everything you buy now is Chinesium. I usually use Harbor Freight power tools more for items that I know I'm not going to be using a lot. I might be guilty of using them nut driving attachments, extension, adapters, etc. for drills & small battery impacts, etc.

I'm glad you got it sorted out about where they are now.
 
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I bought most of my tools at Sears years ago, Craftsman brand. I had a few fail that were replaced for free. Craftsman is now sold at a number of other stores, Lowes and Ace for two. It's closer for me to go to HF and most of their tools also have a lifetime warranty. I've had a set of HF Pittsburg brand impact sockets for many years and use them quite often. I haven't broken one yet. Some of their stuff is not so good. Just have to be careful what you buy.
 

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I buy quite bit from HF . I use a lot of air tools and you can't beat them for the price . And I use them commercially not hobby jobs . I have found their drill bits and sawzall blades to be as good or better than Milwaukee or dewault .👍
 

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Same here. Our HF is fairly new (three years maybe) and before it came here I wasn't aware. The store is kind of like the toy aisle at the grocery store. Not as good as the real toy store, but better than mayonnaise and potato chip shopping. Amazon Prime pays for itself easily.

Regional... I have no idea where a DIB or Ace is. DIB brand stuff is sold at the crappy "hardware" store in the little town I lived in from 2001-2005 (population 2000) and Ace was a thing of my youth. According to the internet, there is an Ace in the next small town to the west and one about 20 minutes south of here. The closest DIB store to me is in another State, about 30 minutes north.

I agree. It's not like Chinese people are working at the stores. It's generally Americans paying American taxes, etc. I would like to know where to get everyday use items that are NOT from China. If we're just talking tools, a greater percentage of even USA name brands have parts (or whole) made in China. Look at the label on the next overpriced Snap-On tool you buy. Likely came from China. I have about $35K invested in tools and more than a little of it was NOT cheap but made in China. I just bought a secondary cart (to prevent having to upgrade my $5K tool chest) and I got it a HF. Price was $260 out the door. Blue Point (Snap-On's budget brand) has one similar for $1400. They're both made in China.
Do-it-Best is a hardware co-op. Back when I managed the MidWest for Duckback Products (Superdeck Stain) they had 3000+ stores in the USA and 50 other countries. Certainly as big as Lowes or Home Depot. I shop there because the customer service is better, like people in the store to help you and they are generally trained on what they are selling. Nothing is more frustrating that going to get materials to do a job then stopping to return to the store because I forgot something. Trained help will save you that pain. You are lucky to get a check out person in Home Depot these days.
 

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WHEW.......... you scared the crap outta me Cary.... great "click bait" on your post.
I LOVE HF; sometimes I just go in to "browse" around and almost never leave without something. I've bought a lot of stuff over the years from them and never had anything fail to do the job.
J.
 
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I tend to buy more stuff at the local Ace but that is mostly because it is more convenient than going to Harbor Freight, Lowes, or Home Depot. It is usually about 10% more expensive but I consider that a convenience fee.
This. We have a huge Ace. I buy a lot there because it's local. Some of it is more expensive and some of it is not but all of it puts my money back in my local community.
However I do go to harbor freight at times. I have one of their predator generators and it seems to work very well. We always called HF and Northern tools, CSC #1 and CSC #2 because they sell Cheap $#@! from China. Never stopped us from going though.
 
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I HAD a large number of Craftsman tools bought during the 70's and 80's. HAD is the keyword as all were lost in the 11/2/22 fire that consumed the primary shop plus storage buildings . Current production Craftsman tools are worse than the mid-grade HF tools while costing more. Most of the replacement tools are TEKTON or HF ICON plus a couple of combination sets of HF Pittsburg.
It takes a lot of tools to run this place as during planting and harvest, tools are spread across 2 farm pickups, the shop, and the secondary shop in the remote machine shed.
There are some utoob videos of wrench tests that are worth watching.
 

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I am not a Harbor Freight fan by any means , but there is not a store around that doesn't have tons of Chinese made stuff.
About 6-7 years ago the hydraulic ram on a hoist I had went bad. It was an Enerpack ram. The best in my opinion.
I took the ram to a store that specialized in mechanics tools. They sold all the best tools. Snap On , Matco , MAC and so on.
I ask them to rebuild the ram for me.
The guy said he could sell me a new one cheaper than rebuilding the old.
I said " let me see it ".
He brought out a ram in a box marked " American Forging and Foundry " with an American flag on it. It was $120 for the ram.
I opened the box and there was the ram I needed. Real pretty marked the same with the American flag on it.
I turned the ram over and it said " Made in China ". I couldn't believe it.
So I went and looked at the lifts in the store and they were all " American Forgery and Foundry " made in China rams.
I said "no thanks " and left.
I went to Harbor Freight and bought a ram that looked exactly like it , except for the markings. It cost $48.
 

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First off Cary,, I'm glad you found your new Harbor Freight.

The issue of "chinese junk" and such is a more complex issue than just what is perceived.

Let's go back to post WWII, when "Made in Japan" was considered cheap. Many Vets & their families refused to buy stuff so marked. Principals. But as time passed,, we have discovered that despite the horrors of WWII & the Japanese we fought & defeated, we have overcome (mostly) the attitude of "cheap junk" from them. Nowadays,, lots of good quality products do come from Japan.
Yet,, there still an underlying feeling of how they lost face in defeat,, and as such, they have worked hard at trying to beat America economically.
The same thing in general is happening with us & China. While we never really fought on Chinese lands,, they were a big part of the Korean War. They too have an underlying attitude of losing face & wanting to beat us economically.
And as Americans,, we've witnessed decades of politicians & clueless minded people saying; "We need to get over the war & move on. We need to embrace them as friends & help them etc etc etc!" So we spent a lot of money "helping" them rebuild a lot of stuff, and also encouraging them to build products for us to buy.
That goes hand in hand with people always wanting to buy stuff cheaply. We are all guilty of it. We want an item, and if brand "A" is cheaper than brand "B" we OFTEN do not look at where it was made. We just want cheap.
Add in how many politicians have been made rich by working deals with Japan & China,, to where they are allowed to import stuff & sell stuff here easily.
Now let's throw in the cost of building products here in America.
Decades ago,, we had people working hard for low wages, children working in dangerous places, poor working conditions, & many other very negative work related things.
Labor unions were formed to make things better.
And they did eventually.
Next,, we got government regulations via an agency called "OSHA!"

Between the unions, and OSHA,, goods made in the USA cost a lot more to make than if made in China or Japan. And many USA manufacturers have found they can go to these countries, (as well as other countries such as Mexico) build a plant, train the local workers,, WITHOUT OSHA, or unions, or such strict oversight, so much cheaper than here.
Then the companies & those politicians or other rich people get richer.
It's because we as people want cheaper stuff, and they can make bigger profits by using other countries DIFFERENT approaches to work forces than we have here.

Other countries do not have a Constitution.
They do not allow unions.
They do not have such strict oversight as OSHA has here.
And they do not care if workers get paid very little, work long hours, or in unsafe conditions. Because they also do not value life or look at it the same way we do here.

We the people have allowed this to happen.
We the people pushed for unions.
We the people want OSHA to defend us if work conditions are unsafe.
We the people demand higher pay, better benefits, and other things not available in other countries.
We the people have allowed the politicians to sell us out to other countries.
We the people did not stop the attitudes of "helping" these defeated countries by those who may feel the need, without looking at the bigger picture.
And,, We the people are being fought against & defeated economically by these other countries.

Basically a "death by a thousand tiny cuts!"

Sadly,, We the People have failed. The only way it'll ever (hopefully) return to a better place would be a very harsh & horrible thing. A 3rd world war. We'd have to go to war with China, & other countries such as Mexico, & even Japan (again.) And they have the support of Russia. Which,, BTW, has also been getting similar treatment of "help" & such from the USA.

I doubt that most of us here on this Forum will ever see it,, but I predict an eventual major war if it ever gets to the point of real Americans revolting against such an economical attack. But, by then,, it'll probably be too late, and we'll never have a strong Constitution again. And it's entirely possible for the USA to be destroyed. It happened to the Roman Empire. And other once "great" countries suffered defeat or division if you study history.
Why?
Because of the people.
In many ways,, the USA is mirroring the Roman Empire.
It used to be the biggest world power. They built coliseums, they conquered many smaller countries. They lived in excess. They had games in the coliseums. Gladiators were worshiped. People reveled in such things. It took decades,, but they fell to ruin,, and it toppled from within.

We have been the #1 world power for a spell. We have built Sports arenas, (coliseums,) & games within, (football, basketball, baseball, soccer, etc.) We have athletes elevated to worship status & wealth. And people revel in such activities. We live in excess,, in so many areas. We have Americans who feel it's "beneath them" to do manual labor, or work hard. Yet, they demand high pay, and expect things be given to them. (Welfare, stimulus money, free health care, etc.)

About all that's left is for us to "fall from within" as the Roman empire did.

And we the people did it to ourselves.
 

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Wouldnt mind if they all closed, I dont like businesses that specialize in Chinese made junk.
I don't disagree with that but maybe twice a year I get in there to find something that these days is hard to find. Years ago I did find a Paasche airbrush for a garage sale price. I still have it and still use it. If you know your stuff their are a few good items in there...not many but still I get there once in a while. As far as chinese made junk, most stuff these days is just that.... o_O ;) ;)
 

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diy killed the need for quality tools for quality mechs doing quality work with quality parts.
just like guns....the industries goal is to put (one) in every home, without care or concern for quality.
the ones that do care, pay out the nose.


.......just like guns.
 

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If every business that sells Chinesium junk closed, most areas would be in serious trouble. The businesses are not really at fault. Their business is built around buyers' preferences. Some of us operate on budgets that don't allow $400 wrench sets or $2000 air compressors.
American work ethic is another reason that industry moved out.
EPA regulations are the main reason most industries moves out. The cost of building plants that complied with the EPA regulations was just to costly.
Cheaper to move to countries that don't care about pollution. Cheaper labor was just a plus.
 
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