Japenese Carriers

caryc · Mar 2, 2024

I keep seeing pictures of Japanese aircraft carriers with the turned up noses on the end of their flight decks to get that plane started up quickly. Why hasn't anything like that appeared on our carriers? What do you pilots here have to say about it. Good idea or not? Nevermind, I found my answer. It is kind of interesting if you care to read it.

https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-ski-jumps-a-history/

Bob Wright · Mar 2, 2024

The British Harrier could not take off vertcally with an ordnance load, so their carriers had that ramp to get them airborne.

But as to World War II Japamnese carriers, I never saw any with the inclined ramp.

I'm wondering if the photos you are referring to show the carriers with the elevated flight decks. These reveal a bunch of daylight between the flight deck and the main deck below. Can you post a photo?

Bob Wright

Bob Wright · Mar 2, 2024

Here's what I'm referring to:

Bob Wright

Dan in MI · Mar 2, 2024

I believe I've seen pics of Chinese carriers with ski jumps.

A quick check just showed Chinese and Russian versions.

woodsy · Mar 2, 2024

Well, caryc, that article you mentioned pretty much explains it all. I had known about the history of those jets and their carriers, but that article pulls it all together. Thanks.

caryc · Mar 2, 2024

Bob Wright said:
The British Harrier could not take off vertcally with an ordnance load, so their carriers had that ramp to get them airborne.

But as to World War II Japamnese carriers, I never saw any with the inclined ramp.

I'm wondering if the photos you are referring to show the carriers with the elevated flight decks. These reveal a bunch of daylight between the flight deck and the main deck below. Can you post a photo?

Bob Wright

I was wrong, it was a Chinese carrier that I saw pictures of on TV. It's not a raised up ramp, it's built right into the bow.

dannyd · Mar 2, 2024

Jump jets like the Harrier AV-8B or F-35, the Soviets and British both used them.

Way cheaper than having a catapult system and easier to repair bomb or missile damage.

bykerhd · Mar 3, 2024

I think that ramped bow carrier was one the Russians sold the Chinese after the Soviet Union broke up. Could be wrong.

sceva · Mar 3, 2024

I don't see any catapults' on it

Jeepnik · Mar 3, 2024

Most VTOL & STOL aircraft don't have the ability to use catapults.

Fox Mike · Mar 3, 2024

The Brits have had that type in use for a long time.

needsmostuff · Mar 3, 2024

caryc said:

The ghost of Evil Knievel just rolled over .
Just don't let any of those Moto Cross MX dudes near that thing.

Wyandot Jim · Mar 3, 2024

What I have been told, by a pretty knowable person, is with that type of Carrier you can not launch and recover aircraft at the same time. Also you cannot launch off of the angle deck and the bow at the same time. All of our Carriers are capable of that.

Shooting one from the angle and the bow

caryc · Mar 3, 2024

Thanks Jim, I was waiting for your reply. I knew you'd have something to say about it. It looks rather short to me. Can they land a regular fighter jet on that thing and launch it again. It would seem rather expensive to build that thing for only one type of aircraft.

dannyd · Mar 3, 2024

The Aircraft Carrier is going to suffer the same fate in the next Major War as the Battleships in World War 2.

Spent 1984 and 1985 following the one in Jim's picture.

caryc · Mar 3, 2024

dannyd said:
The Aircraft Carrier is going to suffer the same fate in the next Major War as the Battleships in World War 2.

Spent 1984 and 1985 following the one in Jim's picture.

Were you on a destroyer?

dannyd · Mar 3, 2024

caryc said:
Were you on a destroyer?

Nope, not that lucky, a Perry Class Frigate, in March of 1985 we managed to have a major Engine Room fire that almost put us out of commission before even starting our long cruise.

When the Captain asks all personal not actively involved in fighting the fire to go to their abandoned ship stations, you know you maybe in trouble.

XUSNORDIE · Mar 3, 2024

Pulled alongside a UK Carrier in the IO in late 80s...had the ski jump and it was unusual to see. It was smaller, and of course only had helos and harriers (as I recall). We don't need that stuff....our Gator Navy can handle it just as well.

Jeepnik · Mar 4, 2024

The Brits invented the steam catapult, but have abandoned it. The angle deck does allow faster launching, but the big thing was if an aircraft crashed on landing they could still launch aircraft.

JiminMaine · Mar 4, 2024

Bob Wright said:
Here's what I'm referring to:

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Bob Wright

Most of those with the open bow under the flightdeck started life as cruisers or some other large ship. Even the first few US carriers were like that.

If ou want to read up on interesting carriers read about the USS Sable and USS Wolverine, two sidewheeler carriers.

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